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"WOW. I guess that Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Lexis, etc. don't have a clue about using water based finishes. Hmmm, interesting."


not so sure about the merit of this comment either.are you trying to tell me that Mercedes and BMW use water based paint on their cars?i was under the impression that they use BASF Glasurit acrylic urethane.i have read that there are some experimentations of using a water based paint,but from the factory they get urethane.
 
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BarenbruggeCues said:
Like I'm suppose to drop what I'm doing and "give you a ring"? These are exactly the kind of responses I'm talking about. Civil? Now, I'm not being civil? See what I'm talking about? You really don't have a clue, do you?
I'm not hard to find.......but I can tell you right now if you think I'm not being civil here then you sure don't want call me.
Being cool? scoring points? What, are you stuck in high school?
You think I'm lashing out and scolding you now...........?

All I have to say to you is this........treating me like I'm a rookie

If the shoe fits.................


Wow ! you have time to type but not answer the phone or make a call ????

you are a real piece of work ! get over yourself... you are just a cuemaker !

And you still continue the harsh overtones even after I wanted to have a civil conversation with you... which in turn you still won't give me your #

You are taking this way too personal aren't you Dave ? this is about clearcoats not your ultra secret cuebuilding techniques that we are just dying to know !

What are you hiding Dave ??? hmmmmm?

I'll bet you're one of those overpriced cuemakers who's defending his honor, aren't you ??????

Well Dave, since you have my undivided attention as well as the rest of the AZ'rs viewing this thread... why don't you disclose some of your prices for your base price cue and what they get for the money and a few others quotes in your spectrum just so we can understand your justification of your prices ?

I'm sure thier are many potential customers that would just love to hear all about your fancy work and how your cues play sooooo much better than others do, that you deserve special prices !!!

Are you a special guy Dave ????? I think you are, and I'll bet the farm you do too !


I tried to be civil with you but you just had to push me didn't you ?



Eddie Wheat 321-631-1827
 
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masonh said:
hey Eddie how about some pics for us.

I have a slideshow at this link"www.myspace.com/cuesmith1" that you can view some of my playing and breakjump cues I have built !

Remember, ALL cues are completely 100% designed by the customer and that includes the stains and color combinations !!!

I'm hoping my offical website "wheatcues.com" that's being built by my endorser will be finished soon... it's been months and I'm being very picky about the layout and interactive menus and cue template for designing your own cue and picking from constantly updated wood selections as well !

Like I said before.... I build practical tools for those who want more out of a cue than can be acquired from a production or avg. balanced one.


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
 
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I tried going to myspace but my antivirus, malware and spyware utilities red-flagged it.
 
Water based paints

masonh said:
"WOW. I guess that Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Lexis, etc. don't have a clue about using water based finishes. Hmmm, interesting."


"not so sure about the merit of this comment either.are you trying to tell me that Mercedes and BMW use water based paint on their cars?i was under the impression that they use BASF Glasurit acrylic urethane.i have read that there are some experimentations of using a water based paint,but from the factory they get urethane.
"

Ferrari definitely uses a water based paint on their exterior finishes. MBZ, BMW, Lexus and others use water based polycarbonate urethane on their interior cabin wood trim items. We were discussing finishing wood, were'nt we?

Bob Flynn
 
Acrylic Urethane On A Mercedes????????????

Quote from Masonh
"?i was under the impression that they use BASF Glasurit acrylic urethane"

FYI

STUTTGART, GERMANY (12/3/2003). After four years of development work, an innovative nano-particle clear lacquer is set to go into series production at Mercedes-Benz at the end of 2003.

Bob
 
MB uses the BASF Galsurit as well,but i see your point about the interior wood.

you are right,we were talking wood.i still like the durability of urethane on my cues though.
 
Eddie i like that piece of Quilted Maple at your website.that is one of the best pieces i have ever seen,5A+ figure.

what is the core in that forearm?
 
masonh said:
MB uses the BASF Galsurit as well,but i see your point about the interior wood.

you are right,we were talking wood.i still like the durability of urethane on my cues though.

In the furniture business in New Zealand, allot more companies are using the Water based coatings.The main reason is not environmental so much as the insurance cost and the ACC levies are lower.ACC is a govt tax on company's and is risk assessment based. The safer a product and process is the less fees you pay.ACC stands for Accident Compensation Corporation.
A company that uses isocyanates is taxed higher than one using a safer product.Like any new product only time will tell.
Neil
 
masonh said:
Eddie i like that piece of Quilted Maple at your website.that is one of the best pieces i have ever seen,5A+ figure.

what is the core in that forearm?


Thankyou !

It's just a maple core....



- Eddie Wheat
 
conetip said:
In the furniture business in New Zealand, allot more companies are using the Water based coatings.The main reason is not environmental so much as the insurance cost and the ACC levies are lower.ACC is a govt tax on company's and is risk assessment based. The safer a product and process is the less fees you pay.ACC stands for Accident Compensation Corporation.
A company that uses isocyanates is taxed higher than one using a safer product.Like any new product only time will tell.
Neil
That's great of them.
https://www.basfrefinish.com/vta/R-M/index.htm
We have an auto finishing class here and the instructor swears by RM clear.
He says they blow away Dupont chroma clear.
 
i think Germany can use just about whatever they want,but i realize that is the direction things are heading.i would say one day soon they will have it perfected and it will be every bit as good as isocyanate based paint.
 
Tried to reply to your PM.......

Hi Eddie,

I tried to reply to your PM, but I guess you must be getting a lot of messages and I couldn't get through. So.......

Sorry if I stirred up a hornets nest here. My comment was not directed at your choice of finishes or your "professionalism". Just your choice of wording. "We all use....."

That implies that you are speaking for everyone in the forum. I simply pointed out the inaccuracy of that choice of wording. In case you missed it, I even included ;) to show that my comment was tongue-in-cheek.

From there, things seemed to go downhill. IMHO, that was fueled by your attitude. When I post something here, it's to tell someone what I did and how it did or did not work for me. Then it's up to the reader to decide what works best for them. Your attitude seems to be "I am the authority and that's that". Sorry, but not to many people will respond well to that.

As far as the PM you sent to me, thank you for taking the time to try to help a clueless novice;) :rolleyes:
 
WheatCues said:
Wow ! you have time to type but not answer the phone or make a call ????

you are a real piece of work ! get over yourself... you are just a cuemaker !

And you still continue the harsh overtones even after I wanted to have a civil conversation with you... which in turn you still won't give me your #

You are taking this way too personal aren't you Dave ? this is about clearcoats not your ultra secret cuebuilding techniques that we are just dying to know !

What are you hiding Dave ??? hmmmmm?

I'll bet you're one of those overpriced cuemakers who's defending his honor, aren't you ??????

Well Dave, since you have my undivided attention as well as the rest of the AZ'rs viewing this thread... why don't you disclose some of your prices for your base price cue and what they get for the money and a few others quotes in your spectrum just so we can understand your justification of your prices ?

I'm sure thier are many potential customers that would just love to hear all about your fancy work and how your cues play sooooo much better than others do, that you deserve special prices !!!

Are you a special guy Dave ????? I think you are, and I'll bet the farm you do too !


I tried to be civil with you but you just had to push me didn't you ?



Eddie Wheat 321-631-1827


Eddie, Eddie, my boy Eddie..........
Don't even attempt to make it sound like you tried to call me. Hiding? Why in hell would you even think I'm hiding?
First off, why would you even remotely think that I should lower myself to your standards. Why would myself or for that matter anyone else feel like they should have to answer to you? This isn't about clearcoats and you know it. It's about you spouting crap off that you don't have a clue about and unfortunately some people don't know any better so you have now filled their heads with something that is bucket of crap.
I'm a piece of work? I'm not the one out here spouting out about how to do this and how to do that when based on things you've said it's pretty obvious you don't either. Trying to help someone is one thing....talking out of your ass is another. No, I'm not taking anything personal but it sure seems you have.
What exactly does my pricing, building techniques, or any of my business practices have to do with you? I'm only going to say this one time don't start attacking me or my business practices with your bullshit.
You really don't have clue.
When you start putting things in my mouth about how "we" do this or "we" do that people are going to take offense.
I thought you would have learned your lesson on the "gluing ferrules on with cyno" crap. Evidently some people are just unteachable.
If you don't have the balls to pick up a phone and find out who these people are then so be it.
Defending my honor? There you go spouting crap off again that you just really don't have clue about but only think you do.
All I'm telling you is this.....if you want to help people your going about in the wrong fashion.....do some research and don't make things up that you assume are correct and then show your ass here on the forum.
 
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JoeyInCali said:
That's great of them.
https://www.basfrefinish.com/vta/R-M/index.htm
We have an auto finishing class here and the instructor swears by RM clear.
He says they blow away Dupont chroma clear.
Joey I used to shoot this stuff in the body shop I worked in. Pretty good inexpensive product. Never shot it on a cue. I am breaking down and buying Sikkens this time. Gonna shoot some test cues to see how she holds up.
Again R-M was pretty nice stuff.
 
Joey,which one of those RM goes on cues?what was better about it that Dupont?quickness,hardness,ease of polish,etc?
 
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