Top Players Will Continue To Retire

Johnnyt

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With the prices of entry fees, travel, hotel/motels, and food and drink at an all time high, I can see a lot of the top unsponsored players staying home and just matching up.

The only way to get most top players to tournaments is have them in spot bars like White Diamonds and a few others that have player auctions. Having them in casinos, convention centers, and hotels, put on by promoters, just don't work anymore. Johnnyt
 
With the prices of entry fees, travel, hotel/motels, and food and drink at an all time high, I can see a lot of the top unsponsored players staying home and just matching up.

The only way to get most top players to tournaments is have them in spot bars like White Diamonds and a few others that have player auctions. Having them in casinos, convention centers, and hotels, put on by promoters, just don't work anymore. Johnnyt

As far as I know most top players don't match up either. If they are I would like to witness it.

Thanks

Kevin
 
Notice the new Filipino pool invasion going on here right now. The dollar has far more value in their country, so what looks small by our standards is not so small by theirs. Dennis could buy a nice home with what he's personally won here this year and that fact is not lost on the other Filipinos. As American players drop out, Filipinos jump in to fill the gap. Six to eight are playing in all the major events currently, and all are top speed players. Roberto Gomez was never so successful before. Pretty easy pickings compared to playing in Asia. :thumbup:

By the way Kevin, you made a good point. Filipinos are great friends and equally great rivals. They rarely ever make deals in matches with other Filipinos. They are used to going head to head all the time over there, "Pool Fights" are a very popular gambling activity. You can check Team Pogo sports bar in Quezon City where Sylvia Geroux is staging money matches nightly online with a host of top players. You can find her on Facebook.
 
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I think you're wrong on this one Johnny. It's us the Pool fans. I've been to turning Stone super billards Expo pro events numerous of casinos to watch the pros play.The US open nine ball 10 Ball Straight pool and one pocket.and many other pro events.we as a fans need to come out and support the events that's going on can't rely on just the entry fees and the promoters to put their money and we need to spend gate money also. When that's done the players I get paid the pay out to be better in Pool Will be better.let's get out and support the game. And yes I know I haven't been to Derby city yet but it's on my bucket list
 
Agreeing with the OP and Jay Helfert on this one!

To the OP, there is not enough money in pool to support the top players at the events! Not enough high first place prizes!

To Jay Helfert, totally agree! The Americans NEED more money generally for abvious reasons! But the Filipino don't care because he/she knows that the 6k they made here in gambling and a couple tournaments they can sustain for reasonable amount of time in Philippines!

Life styles are totally different!

Plus the other thing Jay mentioned about the players always matching up! This is HUGE!
 
With the prices of entry fees, travel, hotel/motels, and food and drink at an all time high, I can see a lot of the top unsponsored players staying home and just matching up.

The only way to get most top players to tournaments is have them in spot bars like White Diamonds and a few others that have player auctions. Having them in casinos, convention centers, and hotels, put on by promoters, just don't work anymore. Johnnyt

Good post, Johnny.
Yes, more and more players are skipping events for the reason(s) you stated.
Another post states it's the fans--well yes, to a point.
Let's provide an example:
one of the reasons for high salaries in the NBA and PGA
is because fans purchase tickets, gear, and other industry-related items.
Those transactions help to drive the industry as a whole, which aids to create higher payrolls.

However, in pool, you can't just expect fans to start going to more events
(door sales) and buying more pool tables. That's not enough.
Sponsors have to create a marketing scheme in order to expose all the different pool-potential items.
No, it's not up to the pool fans here. The industry as a whole needs to get a boost.

Another post, claims that "American players drop out, and others drop in." So true.
It's not a complete zero-sum game, but like energy that's never lost,
pool is simply finding other areas to "strike."
I've mentioned this before, the pool industry is not dying,
the market is simply moving (geographically).
Further, the pool industry is changing as technology puts a stamp on the game and how pools processes are run--
just like other endeavors that technology has its hold on.

Again, good post, Johnny.
More people need to realize what's really going on in the world of pool
and quit complaining about what needs to be done to resurrect U.S. pool.

What you see is what you're getting. A decline in the U.S. of pool participation among the pros.
Again, for the reason(s) you stated above.
 
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Sorry guys, until real corporate sponsorship outside of just billiard related companies start to get in the game money wise- there is no future! Pool's act is old, tired and just does not appeal to the corporate folks with real $$$ to spend on sponsorship of pro events and TV. I made a trip to SBE this year after being absent 7 years- it looked like a hillbilly rodeo to me- including people camping out in the parking lot- and he gets $20 a day just to walk in - with each pro event a separate admission price! Even former solid billiard sponsors are no longer there- it was my last visit for sure- had enough of that carnival atmosphere.
 
Pool is dead, and has been for at least 10 years, is there anything remotely new here? Seems like a rehash for the 10,000th time of the same old tale. Any American who's name isn't Shane is crazy to try to play this game professionally. ZERO ROI.
 
Notice the new Filipino pool invasion going on here right now. The dollar has far more value in their country, so what looks small by our standards is not so small by theirs. Dennis could buy a nice home with what he's personally won here this year and that fact is not lost on the other Filipinos. As American players drop out, Filipinos jump in to fill the gap. Six to eight are playing in all the major events currently, and all are top speed players. Roberto Gomez was never so successful before. Pretty easy pickings compared to playing in Asia. :thumbup:

By the way Kevin, you made a good point. Filipinos are great friends and equally great rivals. They rarely ever make deals in matches with other Filipinos. They are used to going head to head all the time over there, "Pool Fights" are a very popular gambling activity. You can check Team Pogo sports bar in Quezon City where Sylvia Geroux is staging money matches nightly online with a host of top players. You can find her on Facebook.

How do the Filipino players afford the round trip plane tickets though? I imagine the air fair must be really expensive. I always wondered how they can afford to fly all over the world to play in all of the elite events (like the China open, and All Japan open, and European championships, and others, like the US Open, and DCC). Is pool paying them enough to cover all of the expenses, and also enough to bring money back home? I assume it must be, but I just wonder how, with the low pay outs.
 
I paid $40 for the entire 4 days. There were free to watch professional events from both men and women. The 10 ball event in the arena you did have to pay extra for, but that's nothing new...and the early matches in the 10 ball event were played on the tables outside the arena, so you didn't have to pay to watch them either. For most of the past 20 years you always had to pay extra for the arena area. People have brought campers to the SBE for the entire 25 year history of the event...nothing new there either.

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Sorry guys, until real corporate sponsorship outside of just billiard related companies start to get in the game money wise- there is no future! Pool's act is old, tired and just does not appeal to the corporate folks with real $$$ to spend on sponsorship of pro events and TV. I made a trip to SBE this year after being absent 7 years- it looked like a hillbilly rodeo to me- including people camping out in the parking lot- and he gets $20 a day just to walk in - with each pro event a separate admission price! Even former solid billiard sponsors are no longer there- it was my last visit for sure- had enough of that carnival atmosphere.
 
How do the Filipino players afford the round trip plane tickets though? I imagine the air fair must be really expensive. I always wondered how they can afford to fly all over the world to play in all of the elite events (like the China open, and All Japan open, and European championships, and others, like the US Open, and DCC). Is pool paying them enough to cover all of the expenses, and also enough to bring money back home? I assume it must be, but I just wonder how, with the low pay outs.

Filipino players are often sponsored and/or backed, so their travel expenses are covered. They know how to travel and eat economically. Three or four often stay in one hotel room. They also are in action whenever possible. A small payout to a US player is a huge payout to a Filipino. The average salary in the Philippines is $289 per month.
 
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Filipino players are often sponsored and/or backed, so their travel expenses are covered. They know how to travel and eat economically. Three or four often stay in one hotel room. They also are in action whenever possible. A small payout to a US player is a huge payout to a Filipino. The average salary in the Philippines is $289 per month.

That's myopic.

There are so many hands in tht pot, takes 4 people to roll one joint.
 
Here at JOB Billiards there are pictures of Hall, Archer and others on the wall holding big checks. $20k was 1st place then I believe. Camel was a big sponsor maybe. Now if you win it is not near $20k for 1st place. Pretty crazy that 25 years later the prize is half what it was and the dollar is too.
 
Any American who's name isn't Shane is crazy to try to play this game professionally. ZERO ROI.
I wonder if Shane McMinn will feel good reading this

Here at JOB Billiards there are pictures of Hall, Archer and others on the wall holding big checks. $20k was 1st place then I believe. Camel was a big sponsor maybe. Now if you win it is not near $20k for 1st place. Pretty crazy that 25 years later the prize is half what it was and the dollar is too.

Clearly the big money sponsors are non-billiard companies. Look at big sponsors on tennis, golf, football- mostly unrelated to the sports like Telco, automobiles etc
Matchroom ties with betting companies like Betfair. Used to have lucrative Asian tour sponsored by beverage giant ,Guinness . But even with their deep pockets, Guinness could not handle it and ran off probably with just their pants. Same like Camel. ROI not there. Viewership is so pitiful . Just look at YouTube viewership of pool videos and you want to cry. Low hundreds , popular videos may hit low ten thousand views. If your viewership is not even close to hundreds of thousands views (unique views not those in and out duplicate views), the non-billiard sponsors will tell you to go fly a kite.
So then you are left to go after billiard accessories suppliers (like chalk, tips, cues,tables ) but no offence there is no big money there. It is a catch 22 situation. No big mainstream viewership =no major sponsors. No mainstream appeal =niche sponsors =chickenfeed money =peanuts for players =more players retiring :)
 
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