Tournament Directors - It's Time for a Standard Racking Pattern

BarTableMan said:
I think it's time. Rack your own or loser racks... the ball patterns should all be the same and standardized for 8, 9 and 10 ball. The game is played and enjoyed by the shots, not by the racking pattern. Thoughts...
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I have run over hundreds of tournaments Pro-Am and have used the rack your own and alternating break from the onset........Dennis Hatch, John Morra, Jason Klatt, Mario Morra, Alex Pagulayan and many other fine players never had a problem with it despite the fact that it was a handicapped format as well.

As usual the better players won the majority of the tournaments but there were also a few upsets as well, I even run and taped contest to rack the nine ball (even a loose rack with gaps) to make the nine on the break and out of 30 plus players only one made the nine (Tony used a normal rack for this break with no gaps) This was done to prove a point and is in you tube.
We put the two at the bottom, that was it!!
 
For tenball it's easy...

one in front, 8,9 next, 7,10,6 next 3,4,5,2 last....

9 ball ain't too difficult either... one in front, 7,8 next, 5,9,6 next, 3,4 and then the two on the back...

Jaden
 
I don't get this post creedo...

CreeDo said:
What problem do you think this solves? The pattern racking "problem"?
If you FORCE pattern racking, you don't SOLVE pattern racking.
You make the so-called problem even worse.

Of course, people who hate pattern racking are mostly just making a kneejerk reaction
without actually asking themselves "does this really do what I think it does?"

A lot of them claim it's soooo boring because every runout looks "the exact same".
But you can't point to a single example online where someone ran out a set
using pattern racking, and even if they won several games they didn't all go the same way.

For example, people cried about Dennis Orcullo's pattern rack in one tournament,
and he never had 2 runouts that were the same. Check out the location
of the 2 ball over the course of his 7 runouts: http://i.imgur.com/rlOp7LI.jpg

It is NOT time to add a potentially boring and standardized rack to any pool game.
It doesn't solve any problem, least of all pool's biggest problem -
the fact that it's boring to watch, therefore nobody sponsors it, therefore there's no money in it.

It is not an epidemic, only like 3 guys are doing it to any effect and they still
have to shoot like champions to win. Let's revisit this when it becomes an actual problem.
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Out of one side of your mouth, you say that pattern racking doesn't lead to the same runout, (I agree), and then you're saying we shouldn't allow pattern racking because it's too boring??

The problem that having the same pattern for everyone is no disadvantage to any player. You all are starting from the same basis.

What you do with that starting point is on your skill and your knowledge, which everyone has the same opportunity to achieve and the better player will win.

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
one in front, 8,9 next, 7,10,6 next 3,4,5,2 last....

9 ball ain't too difficult either... one in front, 7,8 next, 5,9,6 next, 3,4 and then the two on the back...

Jaden
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I've noticed this for 10 ball a lot too. I've been watching many YouTube videos and notice many players especially SVB rack their 10 ball racks the same way each time with the 2 and 3 on each corner. I wonder why?? I can't fault him if he's the one who's got to rack em up
 
III_BALL said:
I've noticed this for 10 ball a lot too. I've been watching many YouTube videos and notice many players especially SVB rack their 10 ball racks the same way each time with the 2 and 3 on each corner. I wonder why?? I can't fault him if he's the one who's got to rack em up
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Although the WPA does not designate that the 2 and 3 must be racked there. The BCA declares that they must be racked on the corners.

http://www.playbca.com/portals/0/rules/10Ball.pdf
 
BarTableMan said:
I think it's time. Rack your own or loser racks... the ball patterns should all be the same and standardized for 8, 9 and 10 ball. The game is played and enjoyed by the shots, not by the racking pattern. Thoughts...
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Bring back the Sardo so its guaranteed tight...and let the competitor be allowed to check to see if its tilted.
 
Rack your own, but your opponent gets to switch two balls in your rack (except, of course, the 1-ball and money-ball in rotation games). Toss the balls in the rack, pattern rack them any way you like, but I get to switch just two balls. Rack 'em tight and play ball.

Think through the possibilities and I think you'll find that you can always randomize a rack (or destroy a patterned rack) by switching just two balls.
 
III_BALL said:
I've noticed this for 10 ball a lot too. I've been watching many YouTube videos and notice many players especially SVB rack their 10 ball racks the same way each time with the 2 and 3 on each corner. I wonder why?? I can't fault him if he's the one who's got to rack em up
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New BCA? rule to keep the 1, 2 and 3 from grouping at the head of the table.
After the break the corner balls will most likely end up at/near the foot of the table (four rails around to the foot). One ball will likely be at the head of the table. Makes for a more difficult run out.
 
some rules require it...

III_BALL said:
I've noticed this for 10 ball a lot too. I've been watching many YouTube videos and notice many players especially SVB rack their 10 ball racks the same way each time with the 2 and 3 on each corner. I wonder why?? I can't fault him if he's the one who's got to rack em up
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Some tourneys require that the two and three be in the corners because they move the most and prevent a soft break from putting the one two and three right next to each other.

With a tight rack or a magic rack though unless struck by another ball both wing balls will go four rails into the foot corners.

Jaden
 
CSykes24 said:
How about everyone stops complaining and starts learning how to rack and break effectively? Is that an option? Because it should be.
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That & get rid of the magic rack. Wanting apps & random number generators for racking? That is just adding unnecessary time to such a simple task that has worked so well in pool for ages. I'm getting old.
 
CreeDo said:
What problem do you think this solves? The pattern racking "problem"?
If you FORCE pattern racking, you don't SOLVE pattern racking.
You make the so-called problem even worse.

Of course, people who hate pattern racking are mostly just making a kneejerk reaction
without actually asking themselves "does this really do what I think it does?"

A lot of them claim it's soooo boring because every runout looks "the exact same".
But you can't point to a single example online where someone ran out a set
using pattern racking, and even if they won several games they didn't all go the same way.

For example, people cried about Dennis Orcullo's pattern rack in one tournament,
and he never had 2 runouts that were the same. Check out the location
of the 2 ball over the course of his 7 runouts: http://i.imgur.com/rlOp7LI.jpg

It is NOT time to add a potentially boring and standardized rack to any pool game.
It doesn't solve any problem, least of all pool's biggest problem -
the fact that it's boring to watch, therefore nobody sponsors it, therefore there's no money in it.

It is not an epidemic, only like 3 guys are doing it to any effect and they still
have to shoot like champions to win. Let's revisit this when it becomes an actual problem.
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How can you say the above in bold after starting this fantastic thread?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=357333
 
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Jaden said:
Out of one side of your mouth, you say that pattern racking doesn't lead to the same runout, (I agree), and then you're saying we shouldn't allow pattern racking because it's too boring?
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Nope, I never said that, check again! First I said other people cry that pattern racking is boring.
But that isn't what I believe. I find it fascinating seeing what patterns creative players try to come up with.

Then I said a STANDARDIZED rack would not fix the problem of pool being boring.
And that's true. It would remove the opportunity for someone to create their own pattern.
Which is a part of the game I enjoy.

I am not against the OP's suggestion because I'm against patterns in general.
What I'm against is a rule that forces the same one over and over, preventing creative players
like Corey to try to come up with the perfect 9 ball run.

XmarathonX said:
How can you say the above in bold after starting this fantastic thread?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=357333
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That thread is not really about pattern racking. It's more about an amazing break Corey has developed.
Think about it... very little of the rack is patterned. The 1's position is required.
The 9's position is required. The ball that combos the 9? That ball was different
almost every time... 3, 4, 5, and 6 were all used. Even the 2 ball moved around.

What corey is doing is amazing because it's a perfectly controlled break that wires the 9 ball,
makes a ball, and gives easy shape on the 1. The pattern itself is almost irrelevant.
And do note that corey didn't run out the set. Though 5 successes out of 9 tries is certainly strong.
 
Originally Posted by CSykes24 View Post
How about everyone stops complaining and starts learning how to rack and break effectively? Is that an option? Because it should be.
kollegedave said:
:thumbup: I like your idea.

kollegedave
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And I wish that was the mandatory solution ;:D
 
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