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Tom In Cincy

Tom In Cincy

AKA SactownTom
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When you are in your chair and your opponent has a shot that is lined up directly in front of you, do you get up out of your chair and move out of their 'line of sight', or do you just sit there?

What if you opponent asked you to move?

Do you think that by you leaving your chair to avoid the 'line of sight' issue for your opponent may distract the players in matches on either side of your table?

25. Remaining in Player’s Chair
The non-shooting player should remain in his designated chair while his opponent is at the table. Should a player need to leave the playing area during matches, he must request and receive permission from the referee. Should a player leave the playing area without the permission of the referee, it will be treated like unsportsmanlike conduct.

IMO you are within your rights to remain still in your chair. But, if you feel the need to move, or your opponent asks for you to move, you should take into consideration that your movement could disturb other matches around you and act accordingly.
 
I think that depends on the room and the situation. I always go back to my seat after my inning, though most of my opponents do not. If I feel that I am in my opponents line of sight that might destract him/her I will move with out being asked.
 
"25" quoted above is a Regulation rather than a Rule. The Regulations describe things other than the actual game rules and are fairly flexible.

I try to be still if I'm in my opponent's line, but I don't move out of my chair. I don't recall ever having been asked to move out of my chair.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
When you are in your chair and your opponent has a shot that is lined up directly in front of you, do you get up out of your chair and move out of their 'line of sight', or do you just sit there?

What if you opponent asked you to move?

Do you think that by you leaving your chair to avoid the 'line of sight' issue for your opponent may distract the players in matches on either side of your table?

25. Remaining in Player’s Chair
The non-shooting player should remain in his designated chair while his opponent is at the table. Should a player need to leave the playing area during matches, he must request and receive permission from the referee. Should a player leave the playing area without the permission of the referee, it will be treated like unsportsmanlike conduct.

IMO you are within your rights to remain still in your chair.
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I try to do the least distracting thing in the circumstances. Sometimes it's more distracting to move, sometimes vice verse. If I'm sitting and my opponent lines up facing me I usually just stop moving until he finishes his shot (don't reach for my drink, wipe my cue, swing my feet, etc.).

One thing that always distracts me is when people walk into my line of sight and suddenly stop when they realize it. It's usually better if they just keep going.

But, if you feel the need to move, or your opponent asks for you to move, you should take into consideration that your movement could disturb other matches around you and act accordingly.
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Good point.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
One thing that always distracts me is when people walk into my line of sight and suddenly stop when they realize it. It's usually better if they just keep going.

pj
chgo
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This is very distracting and I am with out a doubt guilty of doing it to others. It is just such a natural reaction when you accidentally walk in front of someone to stop.. I 100% agree it would be better to keep going. Oh and I am sorry to anyone that I have done that to
 
Bob,
Would you define "fairly flexible" please?

I agree that these are Regulations, but they do have consequences if not adhered. Foul and unsportsmanlike penalties are stated in the majority of these 'regulations'

Bob Jewett said:
"25" quoted above is a Regulation rather than a Rule. The Regulations describe things other than the actual game rules and are fairly flexible.

I try to be still if I'm in my opponent's line, but I don't move out of my chair. I don't recall ever having been asked to move out of my chair.
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Tom In Cincy said:
Bob,
Would you define "fairly flexible" please? ...
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I think that sanctioned tournament organizers are allowed to modify the Regulations to fit local requirements but they should give notice in the tournament announcement of any significant change. Probably the most common significant example is that the requirements of the break at nine ball, which are allowed to be modified under Regulation 17, sometimes include a break box or three balls above the headstring.
 
when I'm playing a match and in direct line with my opponents shot, I usually mouth the words "I WANNA VACCUM" and then lick my lips while I light my cigarette.:grin-devilish:

just kidding, I do the Van Damme and don't move...and remember SERIOUS FACE!:mad:

never mind me, just be normal
Grey Ghost
 
It's amazing how many people find an itch when they're in the line of a shot. Or the "I can't bear to look" look, incorporating the head bow and forehead rub.

The statute look is the one that shouldn't bother even the most easily distracted. :thumbup:
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I try to do the least distracting thing in the circumstances. Sometimes it's more distracting to move, sometimes vice verse. If I'm sitting and my opponent lines up facing me I usually just stop moving until he finishes his shot (don't reach for my drink, wipe my cue, swing my feet, etc.).

One thing that always distracts me is when people walk into my line of sight and suddenly stop when they realize it. It's usually better if they just keep going.
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i like your take on this very good question.

also i think the tightness of the room is a big factor too. if there is ample space from the table to the seated player there should be no problem. but i know some rooms wher you have to move the chairs to shoot some angles and that might be the time where it is necessary to ask for time to move. the players momentum can be a factor too. a fast player may not allow you even the time to ask !
 
real world explanation:
A law is enacted by the legislature (or on a federal level, Congress). It is broad, states the purpose, the affecteds, the exceptions, and the enforcement, if any. The law rarely goes into tiny details.

Then the affected departments (or agencies) have to figure out exactly how the law is going to be followed (the forms, the qualifications, detailed procedures... the minutiae), and they do this with regulations.

Both the regulations and laws are enforcable requirements. Finally, the regulations, while not instituted by electeds, must be instituted through a procedure that allows public comment and response (in case you're worried about any democratic values, here).

That said, I think that Bob Jewett's explanation is a wonderful translation from real world to pool world:
"I think that sanctioned tournament organizers are allowed to modify the Regulations to fit local requirements but they should give notice in the tournament announcement of any significant change. Probably the most common significant example is that the requirements of the break at nine ball, which are allowed to be modified under Regulation 17, sometimes include a break box or three balls above the headstring."

There's no agency or department, or tour here, so each tournament has to decide it's own details. Those "flexible" bits would be the regulations. You can't change the winning ball from the 9 to the 6 (that's a rule/ law), but you can change whether the non shooting player has to sit in his designated seat, any seat, or if he can stand.
 
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real world explanation:
A law is enacted by the legislature (or on a federal level, Congress). It is broad, states the purpose, the affecteds, the exceptions, and the enforcement, if any. The law rarely goes into tiny details.

Then the affected departments (or agencies) have to figure out exactly how the law is going to be followed (the forms, the qualifications, detailed procedures... the minutiae), and they do this with regulations.

Both the regulations and laws are enforcable requirements. Finally, the regulations, while not instituted by electeds, must be instituted through a procedure that allows public comment and response (in case you're worried about any democratic values, here).

That said, I think that Bob Jewett's explanation is a wonderful translation from real world to pool world:
"I think that sanctioned tournament organizers are allowed to modify the Regulations to fit local requirements but they should give notice in the tournament announcement of any significant change. Probably the most common significant example is that the requirements of the break at nine ball, which are allowed to be modified under Regulation 17, sometimes include a break box or three balls above the headstring."

There's no agency or department, or tour here, so each tournament has to decide it's own details. Those "flexible" bits would be the regulations. You can't change the winning ball from the 9 to the 6 (that's a rule/ law), but you can change whether the non shooting player has to sit in his designated seat, any seat, or if he can stand.
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what the hell !
 
The first two items under the WSR Regulations specify the 'flexibility'.


1. Administrative Discretion
These regulations address dress requirements, protests, scheduling issues, and other items that are not part of the actual Rules of Play but need to be regulated for the individual event. Some aspects of applying the regulations vary from tournament to tournament, such as the number of sets in a match and who breaks after the first rack at nine ball. The management of an event is entitled to enforce regulations for the event. These Regulations do not have the same force as the Rules; the Rules have priority.
 
oldzilla said:
what the hell !
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lol- yeah, i figured it was tmi, but I really was hoping to be helpful.

It took me a long f'ing time to get a good working understanding of laws and regs. Our high school govt classes really ought to serve us better, and then they don't teach that in undergraduate colleges bcs they figure you got it in high school. Now even the best educated are still pretty clueless.
 
I've been thinking about this kind of thing for some time - not just the original question about being in someone's line of vision, but about the whole "what do I do when my opponent is at the table?" question.
I looked at what the best players do, that's always a good starting point for anything really. After some thought and experimentation, the subject has become a lot less of a problem.
When I start a match, I will try to find a seat to call home. That's where I will live and where _all_ my stuff belongs. I always go there after my turn at the table, quickly and without fuss. When my opponent is getting down on the shot, I am comfortable and can easily remain motionless - almost as if I was playing the shot too. Between shots I'll just do whatever I naturally happen to do, which avoids anything particularly forced that might draw attention.
The exception is if they are on the nine ball. I'll be ready to get out of view entirely, but it has to be way before they approach the shot and with the minimum of fuss.

This has all had a pretty good effect on my game, although that wasn't the intention.

-Tim
 
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