Trans debate arrives into Pro woman’s Billiards

More confusing would have be the bathroom. Another room. Another sign. Special toilets … 1 for those that sit.. those that stand. Oh Lawd.
How about a League of Their Own
Some people have to stand on one leg and hop to have success , don't judge.
 
Some people have to stand on one leg and hop to have success , don't judge.
Excuse my poor humor..... I maybe I'm wrong but I always tell people or my self if you do not like what's going....start your own business or team or league or whatever. Boys Girls Other. No offense to anyone. Everything is great and no one is happy
 
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Excuse my poor humor..... I maybe I'm wrong but I always tell people or my self if you do not like what's going....start your own business or team or league or whatever. Boys Girls Other. No offense to anyone. Everything is great and no one is happy
No worrys , actually I was doing the same thing. I'm 73 and in bad health and sometimes I have to do a contortionists act ,to get in a position where things can be affected by gravity.
I don't understand any of the gender stuff , I had a friend whos little brother in the 1950s did everything little girls do, right from when he was a toddler, he didn't choose to be that way , he was born into it.
I do believe that our entertainment , has created confusion in a lot of childrens minds, who would not have had any questions and now they are not sure of anything, then the first persuasive person that comes along to promote them, begins making the decisions for them. Which doesn't allow them time to figure it out on their own, and that's wrong!
Whatever adults do , within the boundaries of law is one thing, involving minors is illegal and should be punished to the maximum. imo
 
Your friend would have a different view if he lived in Germany, where one's pedigree tends to be established from organized league play and not from gambling.

The German way has already produced four WPA World Champions in 9-ball in Ortmann, Souquet, Hohmann and Filler. Two of them, Ortmann and Hohmann, have also won a WPA World championship in 14.1. Two of them, Souquet and Filler, have won the US Open 9-ball, too.

I'm not buying that gambling is fundamental to development in pool., though I'm not denying that it can help one get used to the pressure that goes with playing pool at a high level.
Don't think for one second that the European players don't gamble. They do. A lot. They don't broadcast it the way US players do but they damn sure will bet a pound/mark/ruble or two.
 
No worrys , actually I was doing the same thing. I'm 73 and in bad health and sometimes I have to do a contortionists act ,to get in a position where things can be affected by gravity.
I don't understand any of the gender stuff , I had a friend whos little brother in the 1950s did everything little girls do, right from when he was a toddler, he didn't choose to be that way , he was born into it.
I do believe that our entertainment , has created confusion in a lot of childrens minds, who would not have had any questions and now they are not sure of anything, then the first persuasive person that comes along to promote them, begins making the decisions for them. Which doesn't allow them time to figure it out on their own, and that's wrong!
Whatever adults do , within the boundaries of law is one thing, involving minors is illegal and should be punished to the maximum. imo
Well said. Sorry about your health. Do these best can do. Seems like you are.
 
Don't think for one second that the European players don't gamble. They do. A lot. They don't broadcast it the way US players do but they damn sure will bet a pound/mark/ruble or two.
Actually, I spoke only of the Germans, and yes, their roots tend to lie in high level league play rather than in gambling. As other have noted, that's not the Filipino way, where action pool, for the most part, is where the pedigree is developed.

Agreed that there are quite a few Europeans that gamble.
 
Actually, I spoke only of the Germans, and yes, their roots tend to lie in high level league play rather than in gambling. As other have noted, that's not the Filipino way, where action pool, for the most part, is where the pedigree is developed.

Agreed that there are quite a few Europeans that gamble.


"Gambling" can be anything from a beer or a few bucks on a game, to if you are going to eat supper tonight you have to win. Sometimes if your family eats tonight you have to win. Recreational gambling even for pretty high stakes and gambling to survive are miles apart. I have never believed the europeans had or have a culture of gambling to survive like the Filipinos or the US road players of not too long ago. We used to hear of the occasional bet by the europeans but it seems anything done is down low now. Sanctioning bodies frowning on gambling?

Just the way things seem from here. Stu, you know far better than I do.

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Would Fargo ratings adjust for this men/women/transgender concern? Perhaps sometime down the road there would just be "tournaments" and not men's or women's tournaments and Fargo ratings involved in them?
 
Ric Jones repeatedly called for the end of gender divisions for all CSI fargo tournaments.
This really only becomes a problem with open tourneys.
I haven't heard the perfect answer to this problem and I doubt one exists.
No one could have predicted this level of cheating.
Yes, it's cheating -a person's feelings should have nothing to do with the division in which they compete.
 
FargoRate doesn’t care about gender.
I understand that. What I meant was that since it doesn't care about the gender thing, why not just have all gender included tournaments. and let the FargoRate sort it all out. In other words let it adjust for the men vs. women thing. Just have tournaments based on FargoRate and not based on gender. Seems like that is what it will eventually have to get to anyway. We dropped separate men's and women's pool leagues pool leagues back in the mid 90s.
Pool, bowling and maybe a few others has a unique position in the sports world in this way.
I do realize there are some male pool players that would be suicidal if they got beat by a woman regardless of a FargoRate handicap.
 
I understand that. What I meant was that since it doesn't care about the gender thing, why not just have all gender included tournaments. and let the FargoRate sort it all out. In other words let it adjust for the men vs. women thing. Just have tournaments based on FargoRate and not based on gender. Seems like that is what it will eventually have to get to anyway. We dropped separate men's and women's pool leagues pool leagues back in the mid 90s.
Pool, bowling and maybe a few others has a unique position in the sports world in this way.
I do realize there are some male pool players that would be suicidal if they got beat by a woman regardless of a FargoRate handicap.

Issue is that now you are making all events handicapped, and there are very few handicapped events that I have seen that were fair enough in the handicap assignments to be, well, fair LOL

Even a national event like the USAPL/BCAPL nationals, they had mini tournaments for those with established Fargo ratings, there were several players from outside the US that did not have many games in the systems, that were 100 or more points under their actual skill levels. And the officials at the events let them play.

There is only one fair and universal way to divide up men vs women when it comes to fair ability in sports, birth biology ruled by nature. If some quirk in the DNA shows up that changes how chemicals work in that person, that should not change the basic biology of said person. Everything else is just human ideology, culture standards and opinions which are all made up by us over time to be a bit more civilized than the animals. As much as we want to change nature and physics, the universe will do what it will do and no amount of laws, wishing and opinions made by us will change it. It's like someone making a law against the sun from giving us skin cancer or a law making earthquakes illegal, or that idiotic place that wanted to make Pi be 3.0 LOL
 
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I think there is a fair solution that wont appease either side of the argument, but I think it could be used across all sports.
If a trans person would like to participate in events as a woman, then they should have to qualify by being regularly tested (every 6 months) and having their testosterone levels being under a certain level (I don't know the exact scientific level) for an extended period of time (5 years) in order to compete as a woman. Once qualified, they would perhaps need to be tested only once a year.
Again, I don't know the exact science, but this seems to me, to be fair, without prejudice and I believe would nullify any physical advantage.
 
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