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Organization of trick shots

There are a number of trick shot formats and tournaments that try to appeal to different audiences, with different purposes. Each of these have their own advantages and disadvantages.

1. Dr. Cue's Artistic Cup, Pool Room Cups, and Shootouts. One example is the tournament BigTruck streamed a couple years ago. These feature a fixed program of high make rate shots, split in to 8 disciplines, designed to attract new players to the sport. These are also typically held on 7-ft tables, which Tom Rossman dubs the great equalizer, helping bridge the gap between a new player and a pro. This champions the 'everyone can, is, and will be a winner' mentality.

2. APTSA (Artistic Pool and Trick Shot Association) and WPA-APD tournaments, including the World Championships. The tournament held at the Super Billiards Expo is in this group. These also feature a fixed shot program but with more difficult shots than above, also split in to 8 disciplines. These are the highest level 'open' events that anyone can enter.

3. Ultimate Trick Shot Tour, including the Championships held at APA Nationals. The individual tour stops are open events, but the Championships are invitation only to fit into a given time frame at Nationals. These are 'freestyle' events where players can challenge with shots of their own invention. There are shot categories, and players are not allowed to choose too many shots that fall in to any given category. These events showcase players' creativity and skill that exceeds what is found in the fixed shot programs above, but strictly limits props to pool-related items only.

4. Trick Shot Magic and World Cup of Trick Shots. These are invitation only events that are produced for TV. There is a fixed program, but players are allowed to submit shots each year. Shot selection is also governed by category rules.

The biggest money is obviously in TSM and WCoTS. TSM was not held this year, but WCoTS was and it was just broadcast on Sunday. I'm not sure if the 'tricky shot' evolution came about because the producers thought it made for better TV or if players needed more of an advantage against those with less dexterity. The money is a big motivating factor to come up with some of these though, to give players advantages. Am I proud of being able to shoot balls while bouncing a rubber ball into a cone? No, and I would be fine if they removed all of those shots from the program in the future.

Nathan's correct in that the evolution of trick shots has increased rapidly in recent years. Their are many players responsible for this evolution, including Eric Yow, Florian Kohler, Steve Markle, Andy Segal, Nick Nikolaidis,.... the list goes on. This evolution probably played at least a small part in the retirements of Mike Massey and Tom Rossman from competition, as Mark mentioned. Stefano Pelinga quit APTSA events a while ago though, but has not to my knowledge officially retired from all competitions. Nick still plays in all competitions as well.

The fact that Andy and Bruce are APA league operators (Jamey Gray is not) bear no relevance to any of Mark's arguments. The APA sponsors the UTS Championships which Andy and Bruce help organize and run.

As a player and someone in a position to affect a little change, I would be more than happy to hear constructive suggestions for what you would like to see in a trick shot tournament or production.
 
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"We try make people mad, so they will quit" (No name dropping) This is their attitude towards each other that is why they fail they have bad karma..
 
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1hit1der;

Tim, thank you for your explanation of the various groups and competitions. I thought Jamie had some relationship to APA - thank you for clearing that up.

It is too bad that some of the players (and you know who I am talking about) have taken the attitude that they have. I know what they did (and tried to do) to Florian at Green Valley Ranch 2010 Trick Shot Magic. It was despicable, extremely bad sportsmanship, and in bad taste. Perhaps that is why the event did not occur again?

I do not know the prize money in any of the events you mentioned. I believe the World Championship is only $5 or $10,000 added.

Where is there a list of the top 16 or so players. How many are from North America? Which group is the acknowledged leader and has the most influence and prestige? Who are the officers of the various organizations?

Something came up and I need to learn a little bit more about artistic Billiards.

Mark griffin
Markg@playcsipool.com
702-719-7665


There are a number of trick shot formats and tournaments that try to appeal to different audiences, with different purposes. Each of these have their own advantages and disadvantages.

1. Dr. Cue's Artistic Cup, Pool Room Cups, and Shootouts. One example is the tournament BigTruck streamed a couple years ago. These feature a fixed program of high make rate shots, split in to 8 disciplines, designed to attract new players to the sport. These are also typically held on 7-ft tables, which Tom Rossman dubs the great equalizer, helping bridge the gap between a new player and a pro. This champions the 'everyone can, is, and will be a winner' mentality.

2. APTSA (Artistic Pool and Trick Shot Association) and WPA-APD tournaments, including the World Championships. The tournament held at the Super Billiards Expo is in this group. These also feature a fixed shot program but with more difficult shots than above, also split in to 8 disciplines. These are the highest level 'open' events that anyone can enter.

3. Ultimate Trick Shot Tour, including the Championships held at APA Nationals. The individual tour stops are open events, but the Championships are invitation only to fit into a given time frame at Nationals. These are 'freestyle' events where players can challenge with shots of their own invention. There are shot categories, and players are not allowed to choose too many shots that fall in to any given category. These events showcase players' creativity and skill that exceeds what is found in the fixed shot programs above, but strictly limits props to pool-related items only.

4. Trick Shot Magic and World Cup of Trick Shots. These are invitation only events that are produced for TV. There is a fixed program, but players are allowed to submit shots each year. Shot selection is also governed by category rules.

The biggest money is obviously in TSM and WCoTS. TSM was not held this year, but WCoTS was and it was just broadcast on Sunday. I'm not sure if the 'tricky shot' evolution came about because the producers thought it made for better TV or if players needed more of an advantage against those with less dexterity. The money is a big motivating factor to come up with some of these though, to give players advantages. Am I proud of being able to shoot balls while bouncing a rubber ball into a cone? No, and I would be fine if they removed all of those shots from the program in the future.

Nathan's correct in that the evolution of trick shots has increased rapidly in recent years. Their are many players responsible for this evolution, including Eric Yow, Florian Kohler, Steve Markle, Andy Segal, Nick Nikolaidis,.... the list goes on. This evolution probably played at least a small part in the retirements of Mike Massey and Tom Rossman from competition, as Mark mentioned. Stefano Pelinga quit APTSA events a while ago though, but has not to my knowledge officially retired from all competitions. Nick still plays in all competitions as well.

The fact that Andy and Bruce are APA league operators (Jamey Gray is not) bear no relevance to any of Mark's arguments. The APA sponsors the UTS Championships which Andy and Bruce help organize and run.

As a player and someone in a position to affect a little change, I would be more than happy to hear constructive suggestions for what you would like to see in a trick shot tournament or production.
 
... On ESPN right now.

I swear I dont mean any disrepect or insult but....

Has this become the most embarrasing bastardization of the term "Trick Shot" in the entire history of the game?

Bouncing rubber balls , rediculous time sequenced shots.... I mean stroke skill and any assemblance of ability has been set aside in favor of wacky shots made up of grade school gimmicks, dixie cups all tangled up with college beer drinking game rules.

Its almost impossible to watch. I honestly feel bad for the competitors. :(

Sorry if that offends anyone , I just dont know how else to describe it , theres not an ounce of redeeming quality left in it.

I got the SAME VIBE when I watched it. It was rediculous!
 
1hit1der;

Tim, thank you for your explanation of the various groups and competitions. I thought Jamie had some relationship to APA - thank you for clearing that up.

It is too bad that some of the players (and you know who I am talking about) have taken the attitude that they have. I know what they did (and tried to do) to Florian at Green Valley Ranch 2010 Trick Shot Magic. It was despicable, extremely bad sportsmanship, and in bad taste. Perhaps that is why the event did not occur again?

I do not know the prize money in any of the events you mentioned. I believe the World Championship is only $5 or $10,000 added.

Where is there a list of the top 16 or so players. How many are from North America? Which group is the acknowledged leader and has the most influence and prestige? Who are the officers of the various organizations?

Something came up and I need to learn a little bit more about artistic Billiards.

Mark griffin
Markg@playcsipool.com
702-719-7665


So are we going to be doing that event we talked about for 2013?
 
I played with 4 new guys last night (all 50+) and they all liked the trick shot program on ESPN. Me, not so much, but I was certainly surprised that these guys really liked it. They said anything billiard on TV was fine with them.
 
I'm going to speak on behalf of all of us that truly love pool ;)

We only like two types of trick shots. We like the power shots - these include the power draw shots, force follows, and all the different masse shots. We understand how much skill those shots require. The other type of shot that we can tolerate is a shot that has some sort of application to a real pool game. Mike Massey always did a good job with setting up a shot and then explaining how he was faced with just this situation in a game of 8 ball. That's about it for me. All the other gadget shots are boring. Pretty soon they won't even need a pool table to do these shots.

The main problem is live trick shot shows just can't compete with recorded displays. The videos I have seen of Florian's are quite amazing. It's impossible to duplicate that in a live setting.
 
Years ago, I got to see Jack White perform, a couple of times. He was a real "people person" and put on a good show. He didn't use a lot of props, just a lot of cue ball control. I always liked pool, but his show is what really got me hooked.

The modern day Trick Shot Magic shows, just don't seem the same, to me.
 
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