Trouble with Kamui tips?

i changed from a moori med to a kamui black "soft" about 2 weeks ago. (the moori mushroomed and glazed over far too often) i play daily, so the new kamui has certainly been played mant hours. i just noticed yesterday, there was no mushrooming (i keep a "dime" shape) & no glazing yet! i do believe that the "soft" hardness is more like a med on other tips but i would not change to another tip unless it was a gaurantee to "hit" better! only one miscue and that was my fault. it imparts the english i want when i want, if only i could just stop scratching! :angry:
 
Curious question? How many of you clean off the tip before putting the cue away in your cue case? Do you clean it off on the carpet?
I carry a piece of cloth for that reason. But on rare occasions I don't have my full outfit but just carry a cue - I do use the carpet (if any). Why?
 
Curious question? How many of you clean off the tip before putting the cue away in your cue case? Do you clean it off on the carpet?

We have discovered that contamination from whatever "wet" or grime or whatever is on or in the carpet will seriously mess with your tip. We have found that alcohol could harden the tip.... ;)

And on another note... We are never satisfied with the products we produce.
 
Curious question? How many of you clean off the tip before putting the cue away in your cue case? Do you clean it off on the carpet?

I always clean the chalk off of it before putting it away. I use a piece of terrycloth that I keep in my case just for that purpose.

I would never clean my tip off on the carpet because it's just not the right thing to do!
 
Kamui SS - Flattened and mushroomed after every couple of games. Tip was done in a month. Played very nice so worth it if you want to install a new tip every month.

Kamui MS - Started out ok. After a couple of games, I reshaped. Stayed that way for a while but now it does what it feels like. Always fussing with it. It will last a bit longer but not as long as a person should expect for a tip of this quality and expense.

I don't shoot hard so that is not an issue.
I have one Kamui Med left and I will give that a whirl. I suspect that will perform better altho I do like the action I get with the MS somewhat.
I mean, its ok but nothing that will blow your hair back and make your eyebrows stand out straight.

So far, I stock several other brands that I would recommend to players before these two. Talisman soft, Wizard, Moori, Everest and Sniper.

I used to switch out tips quite regularly so I could give honest feed back to my customers so I know these tips will perform.

I am planning on trying a Kamui Black MS and pretty sure this will be the third time charm. If it isn't, I'm done with them, period.

I'll give you guys a heads up. There is a tip available on EBay. Its called a California, sold by Delta Sports.
They are a medium. 5 layers. They are well made but if you put one up beside a Talisman or a Moori, you can tell a huge difference.
They will out play and outlast the 2 Kamui tips that I have tried by a country mile.
The kicker is, they cost less than one dollar a piece when 10 are purchased.

I am sending one off to a fellow in California tomorrow so hopefully he will have it installed and be able to give a second opinion on it in time. I know there are a couple of other cue peairman on AZ that will also attest to these tips.

I bought 10 of the California's. I didn't know which side went down and I got it wrong the first time. Draw like crazy but glazed like glass. Flipped the next one over and I am impressed! Draws sweet! tip pick the edge and its a medium hard after you shoot it a while. 1$
 
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Over time, any tip will eventually get glazed over, smoothed surface.

That comes from the inconsistencies of bad chalk. To fix this problem is to scuff this surface.

We realized this problem 2 years ago and looked at the tools used to maintain tips. The tools out there were too aggressive on the Kamui leather and we decided to make our own tool to solve this glazed problem.

The Kamui Gator Grip... Please watch this video.

I use a Kamui Med Soft tip and have for about 6 months. I use Blue Diamond chalk and can't remember the last time I miscued. I also bought the Kamui Gator Grip and I have used it once to "roll over" the tip. I works great.
 
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I also bought the Kamui Gator Grip and I have used it once to "roll over" the tip. I works great.

This video http://www.youtube.com/kamuitips#p/a/u/2/GJ10K3FeYEw is the best way to maintain a tip.
I've mentioned it several times on here. The roll over part has a name. It is called KNURLING. When you roll the tip across the tool it makes a pattern in the tip. It does not wear down the tip. It holds chalk as good or better than new. The methods most players use ( scuffers etc ) remove material. Before you know it your $25 tip is sanded away.

You don't have to spend anywhere near $25 for the Kamui Gator grip either. You can buy a Tip Tapper but don't use it as a tapper use it to knurl. Either that or go to a hardware store and buy a small double cut file. They both work perfect and do not remove material. It takes me all of 20 seconds to knurl a tip and start playing. Your choice but this is the best way bar none.

Rod
 
Moori did the same and turned to garbage...... If it ain't broke don't fix it....

I fully understand your thought... Well if we never fixed it, Kamui would not be where it is today. The tip on the far left is 7 years old. If we did not strive to push technology and science to make our product better and more "consistent" then what?... We would not be any better than the average tip.

What you are looking for is consistency in your tip right? I have heard that "O, XXXX tip doesn't play like it used to". Well, there are well over 1000 different factors involved in processing leather and making a tip consistent.

So, what you want from your tip maker is to always be looking to make the tip more consistent. Which we are.

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I fully understand your thought... Well if we never fixed it, Kamui would not be where it is today. The tip on the far left is 7 years old. If we did not strive to push technology and science to make our product better and more "consistent" then what?... We would not be any better than the average tip.

What you are looking for is consistency in your tip right? I have heard that "O, XXXX tip doesn't play like it used to". Well, there are well over 1000 different factors involved in processing leather and making a tip consistent.

So, what you want from your tip maker is to always be looking to make the tip more consistent. Which we are.

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What is that material on the Gator Grip? Is it metal?
 
What is that material on the Gator Grip? Is it metal?

It is metal, but it is a very fine metal screen which roughens up the tip but doesn't remove much of the tip unless you really work it hard and even then you don't remove a whole lot of leather. I like it better than the tip tapper because the tip tapper has such large and long teeth I simply don't like indenting the tip that much.

The only thing I wish Kamui would do with the Gator Grip is to install some of those SUPER MAGNETS in the four corners. :yeah:

The current magnets are kind of weak, although they work.....ok. For those that don't know the two pieces of flat wood (which hold the metal screen) have a magnet so that the two pieces of flat wood will stay together in your pocket or case. It does an "adequate" job of that but I would like to seem stronger magnets.
 
It is metal, but it is a very fine metal screen which roughens up the tip but doesn't remove much of the tip unless you really work it hard and even then you don't remove a whole lot of leather. I like it better than the tip tapper because the tip tapper has such large and long teeth I simply don't like indenting the tip that much.

The only thing I wish Kamui would do with the Gator Grip is to install some of those SUPER MAGNETS in the four corners. :yeah:

The current magnets are kind of weak, although they work.....ok. For those that don't know the two pieces of flat wood (which hold the metal screen) have a magnet so that the two pieces of flat wood will stay together in your pocket or case. It does an "adequate" job of that but I would like to seem stronger magnets.

Hi Joey,
The latest Gator Grips have stronger magnets. You may have gotten the first original ones. At the BCAPL I had people telling me the reverse that they could not open the Gator! lol. You open it by sliding it apart. ;-)
 
Why not? Makes sense that the manufacturer would produce tools to get the maximum experience with their product.

Yes, John advertises some with me, but you can ask John. I don't send him a bill unless he asks for one. He has good stuff that I'm proud to represent it.

The Gator tool plate is made of stainless steel. Can't compare it to sand papers. It kinda reminds me of the surface of a gritty plant leaf or a cats tongue. I use a Black Soft. I will do a quick tip prep at the beginning of the day and that's it.

Can I live without the Kamui chalk? Of course. Do I want to? No. I did change my pre-shot routine from rubbing the chalk on every shot to inspecting the tip after every 5-6th shot or any extreme draw or spin shot.

PLUS......and to me here is a big one. John is one cool guy. Guys like John Bertone give pool a chance to make it. He thinks outside the box. He's very positive and upbeat. He's a bright star in the pool sky.

My suggestion. Give Kamui and John a fair test drive following the instructions. :shocked: . Yes I said it. We have to follow the manufacturer instructions.

I'm sure there are many good tips out there, but with John Bertone and Kamui Japan you get the whole package.

Ray

Excellent post. I think it is a bit sad that lately it seems people are so ready to mistrust someone...the expensive chalk *must* be a ploy to get your money...

I've spoken to John at length on the phone, and I feel very confident that he is both knowledgeable and excited about his products. I think it is totally reasonable that Kamui should consider the best way of maintaining their tips.

I purchased a Gator Grip scuffer at VF and I must say I like it. I hardly ever use it, but when I do it is quite nice. Haven't taken the plunge on the chalk yet, but I might give it a shot. I am using Blue Diamond now and am quite satisfied. Regular Master is ok too, thought I think BD might have a slight edge.

I used Moori medium tips for about 12 years. At various times my regular tip was a triangle, a lepro, a water buffalo, and for a LONG time a Moori Medium. I think the Moori is an excellent tip. Since I always want whatever tip I use to be in perfect condition, I have figured out what the Moori medium requires *for me*. Every few months, I throw it on the lathe and trim the sides of the tip flush with the ferrule. Mooris I think mushroom very slowly over time. Fast mushrooming at very first, then slow over time. The surface glazes over relatively quickly it seems. Once a week maybe, I use leather to burnish the sides (actually just to make them look clean and shiny). Then I use a tip tool I made myself. It is the end of a PVC pipe. The part at the very end is meant to connect to another pipe, so it is larger diameter. I used about 4" of the pipe at the very end, sliced in half the long way. This gives me a nice tool with two radii. I hold a cut-to-size piece of 120 grit sand paper in there and basically rotate the tip 1 or 2 turns holding it lightly against the paper. This I find keeps the tip porous and holding chalk for a long time.

I recently tried a Kamui black S. I tried it initially very tall. It hit nice, seemed to offer me tons of grip and spin on the cueball (almost too much), and seemed to hold chalk forever. ZERO mushrooming. I then tried trimming the tip a bit lower, and it really came alive for me. Awesome hit, great feel. After a few weeks, I went back to the Moori deciding that the Kamui was nice, but the Moori was for me. Just recently I took out the Kamui again. I absolutely LOVE this tip!! I had trimmed the tip down to about 1/2 height. I find it plays much better like this, and offers better cue ball feedback. Now that the tip is aging a bit, I guess it glazes over sometimes, but not too bad, and really no different than the Moori. Interestingly, I have never tried the gator grip tool on the Kamui tip...I've only used it on the Moori so far. In any case, for whatever its worth, I really have to give my highest recommendation for this tip. Overall it is quite excellent. Still not a hint of mushrooming. I bought a tan soft to try, but I love this black soft too much...I may end up putting another one of those on when the time comes.

Anyway, add another name to the list of people that have *NOT* had problems with Kamui, and think they are doing something cool.

KMRUNOUT
 
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Hi Joey,
The latest Gator Grips have stronger magnets. You may have gotten the first original ones. At the BCAPL I had people telling me the reverse that they could not open the Gator! lol. You open it by sliding it apart. ;-)

What is that material on the Gator Grip? I'd like to know more about it before I consider purchasing it.

Thanks for your above answer, too, Joey.
 
I fully understand your thought... Well if we never fixed it, Kamui would not be where it is today. The tip on the far left is 7 years old. If we did not strive to push technology and science to make our product better and more "consistent" then what?... We would not be any better than the average tip.

What you are looking for is consistency in your tip right? I have heard that "O, XXXX tip doesn't play like it used to". Well, there are well over 1000 different factors involved in processing leather and making a tip consistent.

So, what you want from your tip maker is to always be looking to make the tip more consistent. Which we are.

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I hear what you're saying but your product is very close to the Mooris of old and as much as a I value a good tip I would hate to see Kamui go on a downhill slide. Playing 1-20+ hours a day, 5-6 days a week, a Moori medium would last me almost a year (and thats using only 3-4 layers at install). I have been getting 5 months or so out of the Kamui Black Soft before it glazes over. Maybe with a Gator Grip I can get the same wear as the old Mooris.
 
Hi Joey,
The latest Gator Grips have stronger magnets. You may have gotten the first original ones. At the BCAPL I had people telling me the reverse that they could not open the Gator! lol. You open it by sliding it apart. ;-)

Mine must be a defect. Do you replace weak magnets? :D
 
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