Trying to find out about my new cue

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I bought this cue and not sure exactly what I have. I was told it was made in 1985 before mottey started dating sticks. Its a 8 point with 16 ivory inlays. Original shafts with ivory ferrels and a steel joint. Any info i could get would b appricated.
 

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I don't wish to comment on the cue, but to authenticate it e-mail them at motteycues@aol.com

Let us know what they say because I'm curious too. Who did you get it from? Are you concerened that it's authentic? PM sent.

Chris
 
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My 1987 Mottey cue did not have a date on it and his name had come off. I took it to Paul he authenticated and he refinished and dated the stick. The stick looked like brand new when he re-finished. Since he re-finished I have nicked it .

The signature is now under the finish and that is good. He must keep some sort of record because he knew the month and the year that it was made.

The signature on my cue is in the same place as yours and it looks the same as the one on your stick.
 
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Here is a photo of my stick. You can see that they are similar in construction.

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I dont believe it is a fake. The person i bought it from is a good friend and is friends with a cue maker. So if it was a fake they would have known. Any idea what a cue like this would be worth. Not really interested in selling it but courius.
 
JoeW said:
My 1987 Mottey cue did not have a date on it and his name had come off. I took it to Paul he authenticated and he refinished and dated the stick. The stick looked like brand new when he re-finished. Since he re-finished I have nicked it .

The signature is now under the finish and that is good. He must keep some sort of record because he knew the month and the year that it was made.
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Hi Joe,
Paul's "day job" was in accounting. He owned/owns an accounting agency. Back when your cue was made, you'd have had a hard time getting any work done in April! lol
 
I won't come out and say it's fake, but without a letter from Paul, I wouldn't touch it with a 100 ft pole.

JV
 
This is planet Earth calling Goofygator and classiccues. I repeat, this is planet Earth calling Goofygator and classiccues. Come in Goofygator and classiccues. Here's a message from planet Earth:

I was joking about it being a fake. Didn't either one of you see my little winking emoticon at the end of my post???

Maniac
 
Goofygator said:
I dont believe it is a fake. The person i bought it from is a good friend and is friends with a cue maker. So if it was a fake they would have known. Any idea what a cue like this would be worth. Not really interested in selling it but courius.
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I paid $600.00 for mine in 1992. I took it to Valley Forge a few years ago and a fellow there who had many high priced cues for sale said it would be worth about $2,000.00. Like you I am not really interested in selling it but that is what I was told it is worth. I guess it is really worth what someone else would pay.

The fellow I bought it from was in serious need of money and I think he paid substantially more. I don't really know but I think he paid $1,400.00 new (or so). But then he might have been blowing smoke.

With eight points I would think that yours is worth more than mine.
 
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I believe you have a nice find there. I'm almost certain it's a real Mottey. Paul made some cues that strayed from what people are used to seeing especially back then. I think he was finding his niche in the game. He also made a lot of steel jointed sneaky petes in that era. When he settled in to his traditional style cue he really started getting recognition and that was what people ordered. There were a few scrimshawed cues he did that were over the top also but they came much later.
 
cuesmith said:
I believe you have a nice find there. I'm almost certain it's a real Mottey. Paul made some cues that strayed from what people are used to seeing especially back then. I think he was finding his niche in the game. He also made a lot of steel jointed sneaky petes in that era. When he settled in to his traditional style cue he really started getting recognition and that was what people ordered. There were a few scrimshawed cues he did that were over the top also but they came much later.
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I am sure it isn't a fake but I am gonna contact Paul to confirm. What do you think a cue with this work would be valued at? I really dont know much about custom cues so any info would help. I think i did good by buying this cue but just want to be sure. Thanks for any more info u might could tell me.
 
ScottR said:
Doesn't look like any Mottey I've ever seen.

Scott
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I'm not really up on the prices of Mottey cues, but the fact that this is an unusual one may make it more valuable to someone who collects them.
With the market the way it is, in general, everything is what what you can get for it. You might contact Don Sherman of Sureman Cues. He'd probably have a better idea as he deals with cues like this often. http://suremancues.com/cues/sureman/ds-mottey.htm
989-569-3577
 
cuesmith said:
I'm not really up on the prices of Mottey cues, but the fact that this is an unusual one may make it more valuable to someone who collects them.
With the market the way it is, in general, everything is what what you can get for it. You might contact Don Sherman of Sureman Cues. He'd probably have a better idea as he deals with cues like this often. http://suremancues.com/cues/sureman/ds-mottey.htm
989-569-3577
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Thanks for the info. I sent the pics to Mottey and see what he says. I tried calling Don but he was out. Guess I will just have to wait on a reply. thanks again
 
Black-Balled said:
Kinda strong there, no? I think you'da bought it for 150, based on the pics...far cry from a restraining order!
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For 150 I might gamble. There are things on the cue that do not scream Mottey. Since we have sold, oh I don't know.. maybe 200-300 of them, I think I could be a little apprehensive.

It may be REAL early and as someone else said, just not his normal style. Since I have seen his signature removed to sell his cues as something they are not, I have to think someone might put a faux signature on to sell one. If that cue didn't have a signature, my first thought would be an import.

JV
 
Goofygator said:
I am sure it isn't a fake....
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Are you sure? It honestly doesn't look like any Mottey I've ever seen from that vintage and I personally would be highly suspect of it. Inlays also look like a lot of work that has come out of the PI since the late 90s (it just has that feel to me). But I've been known to have been wrong a time or two, though. :smile:

If it turns out to be a Mottey, maybe $1500 as a realistic sale price in this sour market.
 
classiccues said:
For 150 I might gamble. There are things on the cue that do not scream Mottey. Since we have sold, oh I don't know.. maybe 200-300 of them, I think I could be a little apprehensive.

It may be REAL early and as someone else said, just not his normal style. Since I have seen his signature removed to sell his cues as something they are not, I have to think someone might put a faux signature on to sell one. If that cue didn't have a signature, my first thought would be an import.

JV
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Yes, I totally agree. I didn't want to kill the cue before finding out much either, but the inlay style (size,shape, fill) , points, designs etc. I thought it might be an older QuePerfect or Viattorre from the Philippines - or something along those lines - which somebody could take and forge Mottey's name on - so I just wanted to make sure the owner knew how important it was to document the cue.

In fact, I PM'ed him right away about this - so he's doing all the right things for ownership.

Just a word to all cue owners - on these older cues that are collectible - and all Paul Mottey cues are collectible - when it comes to value it is just as important to have authentication and provenance as it is to have the cue itself!

Chris
 
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classiccues said:
For 150 I might gamble. There are things on the cue that do not scream Mottey. Since we have sold, oh I don't know.. maybe 200-300 of them, I think I could be a little apprehensive.

It may be REAL early and as someone else said, just not his normal style. Since I have seen his signature removed to sell his cues as something they are not, I have to think someone might put a faux signature on to sell one. If that cue didn't have a signature, my first thought would be an import.

JV
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You know Joe, I thought about that also. But I think if someone were going to try something underhanded like that they would have used a cue more like a normal Mottey, not one that was somewhat different. And I have seen cues that Paul made back in the early 80's that were more like this one. When he had the kid apprenticing with him, John Anderson, if my worn out brain is working right, he had a display down in Lexington one year and I spent a lot of time discussing cuemaking with him. He had several cues that weren't in the "Szamboti" style like the cues he's most known for. I'd be willing to put a small sweat bet that this is a Paul Mottey cue. Obviously you, Joe, would have a much better idea of a value on it if it's authentic, but REALLY Joe, do you think it's an import? I know the signature is dead on, not that that couldn't have been counterfeited, but as I said most counterfeiters try to copy the famous product or currency very closely. I doubt they'd choose a design that doesn't "scream Mottey" as you put it, if they were trying to scam someone. Doesn't make sense to me. JMHO
 
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