Turning Stone Classic now with WPA points. Finally!!!

[Cardigan Kid]

I've always wondered why one of the hardest stops, turning stone classic, on one of the best tours, the Joss Tour, never earned WPA points.

Finally, the WPA is bringing points to US tours other than the US open. A great move and well deserved for Mr. Zuglan.

CONGRATULATIONS

The BCA can choose the events, which are the other two?

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/11717-turning-stone-now-carries-wpa-points/

 

[Bob Jewett]

I've always wondered why one of the hardest stops, turning stone classic, on one of the best tours, the Joss Tour, never earned WPA points.

Finally, the WPA is bringing points to US tours other than the US open. A great move and well deserved for Mr. Zuglan.

CONGRATULATIONS

The BCA can choose the events, which are the other two?

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/11717-turning-stone-now-carries-wpa-points/

I suppose the US Open 9 Ball would be the first in line. It may be too late for Derby City to be included. I think that there are several requirements including that the event be open to all players and the added money is above some level.

 

[watchez]

I've always wondered why one of the hardest stops, turning stone classic, on one of the best tours, the Joss Tour, never earned WPA points.

Finally, the WPA is bringing points to US tours other than the US open. A great move and well deserved for Mr. Zuglan.

CONGRATULATIONS

The BCA can choose the events, which are the other two?

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/11717-turning-stone-now-carries-wpa-points/

So now all the players get a percentage of their winnings taken by the WPA ---- for what benefit does it give to them? If I was a player that had a chance to cash, I wouldn't be so excited as you are. In fact, I would be upset.

 

[Swighey]

So now all the players get a percentage of their winnings taken by the WPA ---- for what benefit does it give to them? If I was a player that had a chance to cash, I wouldn't be so excited as you are. In fact, I would be upset.[/QUOTE

I would. It's (if it's followed through right) good for the game and therefore for "me" and my kind in the long run in terms of both pool and money. If I were just in it for a quick buck then there are far easier ways to do that than by playing pool.

 

[Nick B]

I checked out Mike Z's website. With about a week to go many big names will not be there. http://www.joss9balltour.com/

No Shane, Dennis Hatch, Earl, Alex P (no surprise), Darren A, Both Mosconi Teams. It's a shame considering it's a big event.

Nick

 

[jsp]

I checked out Mike Z's website. With about a week to go many big names will not be there. http://www.joss9balltour.com/

No Shane, Dennis Hatch, Earl, Alex P (no surprise), Darren A, Both Mosconi Teams. It's a shame considering it's a big event.

Nick

I did notice Jeffrey Ignacio's name on the list. Assuming this is the same giant killer of the Philippines, I wonder if this is his first tournament on American soil.

 

[Joe_Jaguar]

So now all the players get a percentage of their winnings taken by the WPA ---- for what benefit does it give to them? If I was a player that had a chance to cash, I wouldn't be so excited as you are. In fact, I would be upset.

This isn't the same as the promoter paying for the WPA sanctioning as happens with some other events, at least that isn't what is in the press release. Sounds like a new BCA thing, unless someone is now paying a BCA sanctioning :sorry:

 

[hang-the-9]

Do the WPA and BCA, etc.. standings mean anything now? Used to be the top finishers on the PBT got extra cash, and the top players also got a spot on the Mosconi Cup teams which also meant extra pay.

Aside from just having a number in front of your name, any benefits? Is the World championships invitational based on rank?

 

[sciarco]

Turning Stone Classic

Why are some big names not going like Shane Hatch Earl Appleton etc.

 

[Cardigan Kid]

So now all the players get a percentage of their winnings taken by the WPA ---- for what benefit does it give to them? If I was a player that had a chance to cash, I wouldn't be so excited as you are. In fact, I would be upset.

I look at it as a good sign for American professional pool becoming a step closer to unifying with the rest of the world. This will lead to great benefits such as higher quality competition entering these tournaments (european/asian players making the trip to earn points). Two results from this will be our American players will get better playing against better competition and as a spectator, more chances to see great matches.

It's a win from all angles.

 

[Cardigan Kid]

Do the WPA and BCA, etc.. standings mean anything now? Used to be the top finishers on the PBT got extra cash, and the top players also got a spot on the Mosconi Cup teams which also meant extra pay.

Aside from just having a number in front of your name, any benefits? Is the World championships invitational based on rank?

In Europe, the top point earner gets a spot on the mosconi cup team. I'm not sure what other benefits are there, maybe world champion seeding in tournaments?

For American players like Shane and Dechaine, they can earn points now both domestic and abroad. Shane was very close to the points leader last year, I wonder if wpa points for the Derby and the turning stone tournaments would've helped him lock it up?

 

[watchez]

I look at it as a good sign for American professional pool becoming a step closer to unifying with the rest of the world. This will lead to great benefits such as higher quality competition entering these tournaments (european/asian players making the trip to earn points). Two results from this will be our American players will get better playing against better competition and as a spectator, more chances to see great matches.

It's a win from all angles.

That would sorta make sense IF they did the sanctioning when the tourney was announced and they started to take entries. But the field is now full so now it only benefits the pockets of the WPA.

 

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[HighEndCues]

In Europe, the top point earner gets a spot on the mosconi cup team. I'm not sure what other benefits are there, maybe world champion seeding in tournaments?

For American players like Shane and Dechaine, they can earn points now both domestic and abroad. Shane was very close to the points leader last year, I wonder if wpa points for the Derby and the turning stone tournaments would've helped him lock it up?

Points don't mean a thing when picking the Mosconi cup. Just look at a player like Jeremy Sossei who played all the big events and traveled oversea's for last two years. He was one of the top American point leaders and got bumped for players who hardly competed in top events.
There is no such thing as earning a spot with points or dedication.

 

[krupa]

Why are some big names not going like Shane Hatch Earl Appleton etc.

The roster fills up really fast for this event. It's possible they just missed the window.

 

[runouteasy]

The roster fills up really fast for this event. It's possible they just missed the window.

Mike Zuglan's Turning Stone events always fill plus a small waiting list. He gives everyone notice to get their money in early. The few big names that are missing surely chose not to sign up. Hatch is in Chicago now I believe. As for SVB and Earl I have no idea why they wouldn't play. They are nearly guaranteed to cash and both have won it before.

If there were a couple more regional promoters as accomplished as Mike pro pool would be much healthier. This is the 23rd event with 25 k added in one of the best venues for pool in the US. It's just 200 bucks to play for a shot at a nice payday. His events always run smoothly.

 

[one stroke]

Here is the players list. One of the weakest fields I've seen so far.
As the field was full prior to the WPA announcement.


(Updated 12/29/14 - Subject to change)


1
ACCIAVATTI, TOM
2
ADDESSI, JAMIE
3
ALVAREZ, RAUL
4
ANDREWS, MIKE
5
ANTONAKOS, GREG
6
ANTONE, TONY
7
ARCHER, JOHNNY
8
ARIAS, TRAVIS
9
AUIGBELLE, SPENCER
10
BABRAVICH, JOHN
11
BARRETTA, JENNIFER
12
BIASIN, BILL
13
BOEMMELS, BRENT
14
BOMBARD, GREG
15
BOWLING, CHAD
16
BRUCATO, NICK
17
BRYANT, BRITTANY
18
CARELLI, MIKE
19
CASANZIO, RON
20
CLOUTIER, ERIC
21
CONNORS, RICH
22
COPPOLA, NICK
23
CORR, KAREN
24
CREAMER, MARK
25
CROWE, JERRY
26
CUNNINGHAM, BOB
27
CUTLER, REDGIE
28
DAIGLE, MARTIN
29
D'ALFONSO, TOM
30
DAVIS, PHIL
31
DECHAINE, MIKE
32
DEUEL, COREY
33
DIMEO, DAVE
34
DIOGUARDI, JOE
35
DIXON, DWIGHT
36
DOIRON, STEPHAN
37
DROST, HENDRIK
38
DRYDEN, PAUL
39
DUPUIS, JOEY
40
DUTY, ALAN
41
DUTY, PAUL
42
EISLAND, MARC
43
FAWCETT, RANDY
44
FERNANDEZ, DAVE
45
FRANCIS, JOHN
46
GARIBELLO, YESID
47
GILDEA, TOM
48
GIURLEO, MIKE
49
GOKEY, FRED
50
GRANNIS, RICK
51
GRAU, DAVE
52
GREENWOOD, AARON
53
GRENIER, SYLVAIN
54
GUIMOND, KEVIN
55
HAMAD, SAM
56
HART, ROB
57
HEIDRICH, DAN
58
HERRING, EARL
59
HEWITT, DANNY
60
HJORLEIFSON, ERIC
61
HOHMANN, THORSTEN
62
HOLMES, BRIAN
63
IGNACIO, JEFFREY
64
IMMONEN, MIKA
65
JAMES, JON
66
JECEN, JED
67
JONES, ROB
68
KAM, MARCO
69
KASPRZAK, KARL
70
KETZ, KEVIN
71
KHAM, CHON
72
KRAH, MATT
73
LABONTE, RANDY
74
LIPES, BRIAN
75
LOMBARDO, HUNTER
76
MACK, STEVE
77
MATTA, CLYDE
78
McANDREWS, GREGG
79
McGONAGLE, TOM
80
McKINNEY, TRAVIS
81
MICHAS, JASON
82
MILLAR, DON
83
MILLIGAN, DAN
84
MILLS, DAVE
85
MONTGOMERY, GEOFF
86
MOORE, STEVIE
87
MORGAN, SEAN
88
MORRA, JOHN
89
MORRIS, RODNEY
90
NGUYEN, DANY
91
OMARA, BILL
92
ONEY, WILLIE
93
PAO, CAROLINE
94
PARENT, ALAIN
95
PAYNE, CORY
96
PENSGEN, PAUL
97
PETROV, IVAYLO
98
PHILP, RUSS
99
PHLEGAR, LARRY
100
PROSS, CHRISTINE
101
REESE, JASON
102
ROCHA, CLEITON
103
ROCKWELL, JEROME
104
SAEZ, HECTOR
105
SAKELL, ROB
106
SAUR, ED
107
SHAW, JAYSON
108
SHLEMPERIS, DAVE
109
SHUFF, BRANDON
110
SINICROPI, JOE
111
SMITH, JONATHAN
112
SOSSEI, JEREMY
113
SOUVANTHONG, BUCKY
114
STASKOWSKI, ROB
115
STOTLER, STEVE
116
TAMBA, RANULF
117
TENNANT, TONY
118
TIRU, CHRIS
119
TOOHIG, MIKE
120
TRUSCOTT, RANDALL
121
UDISCHAS, JIM
122
ULRICH, JOSH
123
VASQUEZ, JUAN
124
WESCOTT, SHAWN
125
WHITEHEAD, RANDY
126
WILKIE, SHAUN
127
WORDEN, ESBON
128
YEDNAK, MIKE

Not anything even close to what a WPA event should have

 

[runouteasy]

Not anything even close to what a WPA event should have

Maybe you should play? What's your excuse? You could just come up and rob it.

All you guys ever do on this site is knock stuff. This is a open regional tour with many strong players.Typically there are 8 to 15 world class players at Turning Stone. The Europeans don't travel over anymore, makes no economic sense and they have a strong tour. Philipinos haven't come for several years. This event fills every time, always has and always will.

Don't any of you see the whole saving pro pool concept is flawed? You need events for advanced amateurs to keep pool healthy. The masses that play in this tour are what keeps it alive. More events like this, SBE and DCC are what make economic sense. Pool on TV??? Who cares?

 

[Cardigan Kid]

Maybe you should play? What's your excuse? You could just come up and rob it.

All you guys ever do on this site is knock stuff. This is a open regional tour with many strong players.Typically there are 8 to 15 world class players at Turning Stone. The Europeans don't travel over anymore, makes no economic sense and they have a strong tour. Philipinos haven't come for several years. This event fills every time, always has and always will.

Don't any of you see the whole saving pro pool concept is flawed? You need events for advanced amateurs to keep pool healthy. The masses that play in this tour are what keeps it alive. More events like this, SBE and DCC are what make economic sense. Pool on TV??? Who cares?

Absolutely agree with you. In past turning stones we had niels taking on lee vann corteza, along side jasmine, kelly fisher, souquet, hundal, appleton, and on and on. Ive seen almost every big name at this tournament (except efren and ga young kim).

The way it works with entering as soon as last event was over in september, the field was full by early December before the points announcement today.

Having names like corr, Thorsten, mika, archer, dechaine, shaw, sossei, and duel on one tour stop sounds like a euro tour to me. Even though its not as deep as past turning stones, its still WPA worthy.

 

[itsfroze]

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