tv time for cue deal

smashmouth said:
lol at some wood cutter being higher on the food chain!!!! sorry, US open champ trumps wood cutters, as long as there are teenagers in China and Taiwan, champions such as John will never be in need of a straight stick

having said that, John has almost zero chance of scoring an endorsement deal in this manner
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Not sure what Smashmouth means by that statement, but I can say that it's rarely in a cuemaker's interest to spend all that time and resources sponsoring a pro player.

John Madden spoke well for the individual custom cue artisan. If John finds a sponsor, it will be a big production company. I think John should go with Viking. Viking sponsors a lot of big tournaments and we'd probably never see pro pool on ESPN without their sponsorship.

To John, I wish you luck in finding the right sponsor for you. As for the other commentors saying that John is a handsome, clean cut guy who is also articulate and an all around great guy - I concur!

As for John playing with a Bobby Hunter, I don't remember John ever wearing a logo of Mr. Hunter's. And I think John carries a really deluxe custom case by Justis which is beyond beautiful. Maybe John should take a more active role in supporting the makers of his equipment and these sponsors would more than reciprocate.

Very Sincerely,
The Woim
 
cuemakers arel also pretty cheap in general

EVERY cuemaker out there should have given out at least half a dozen sticks to pros to get their name out htere
 
The Woim said:
Not sure what Smashmouth means by that statement, but I can say that it's rarely in a cuemaker's interest to spend all that time and resources sponsoring a pro player.

John Madden spoke well for the individual custom cue artisan. If John finds a sponsor, it will be a big production company. I think John should go with Viking. Viking sponsors a lot of big tournaments and we'd probably never see pro pool on ESPN without their sponsorship.

To John, I wish you luck in finding the right sponsor for you. As for the other commentors saying that John is a handsome, clean cut guy who is also articulate and an all around great guy - I concur!

As for John playing with a Bobby Hunter, I don't remember John ever wearing a logo of Mr. Hunter's. And I think John carries a really deluxe custom case by Justis which is beyond beautiful. Maybe John should take a more active role in supporting the makers of his equipment and these sponsors would more than reciprocate.

Very Sincerely,
The Woim
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I wasn't referring to their financial interests in such an endeavour, just the "heirachy comment"
 
Placing Joss over Schmidt?

Smashmouth,

Elaborate on that. Danny James is a legend in the cue world. He's already in the cue makers HOF - one of only 8 cuemakers on a very prestigious list. Joss cues are as good as it gets in the production world.

Joss doesn't need to sponsor John Schmidt either. Who needs who?

John Schmidt may be a very talented player, but why would he be above one of the entities who has carried pool? Joss produces (and promotes) tournaments and recreational play.

The contributions to pool by Joss dwarfs Mr. John Schmidt. Mr. Schmidt came over to the pool world after giving up on competitive golf - don't know why but we (the pool world) are second in his heart. I don't know of Danny James custom building tennis rackets, do you?

I personally believe that John Schmidt would have to win eight or nine more U.S. Opens and at least 7 world straight pool titles to even be compared to Mr. Danny James.

Now, if you think I missed something, set me straight, Smashmouth.

Custom cuemakers are among the last old world artisans left in the Western World...

Very Sincerely,
The Woim
 
smashmouth said:
you place joss over schmidt and you're a simpleton
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I'm not sure I follow your thinking here.
When did we start talking about specific cuesmiths?

I think I'm going to excuse myself from this discussion
and wish John good luck on his search which I meant to do
in my first post in this thread.
 
john schmidt said:
hi everybody ,i just posted a message in the cuemaker section that im looking for a cue deal. someone offered to buy my cue so im looking to strike a cue deal with a production company or custom maker.in return for a playing cue with monthly compensation either cash or cues ,you will get this..your company name on my shirt .you will also be on tv such as espn,fox sports ,magazines ,accu stats ,internet and my word of mouth .one thing though i would rather play with a great cue for less money than take bigger money and use a bad cue. im not asking for anything unreasonable and im open to negotiations. if you feel your cues are great cues and you would like tons of exposure in the billiard world and are interested in talking about a deal with me feel free to pm me.have a nice day john schmidt
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Skins... please pass this on to Mr. Josey. I believe his cues come by default perfect for 14.1, which is without argument Mr. John Schmidt's specialty.

Mr. Schmidt; Please pursue Mr. Josey as a sponsor for the above reason. What a perfect combination!

If this happens you better believe I'll be actively pursuing an autograph on my Josey from Mr. Schmidt when October comes around...
 
ok woim,

my reasoning is simply that custom cue makers are a not needed, not saying they don't contribute, but their accomplishments pale in comparison to player talent

you can watch world class pool with pros using $40 chinese sticks but you can't watch it without world class pool players

How many world titles do Allison Fisher and Earl Strickland own by the way?

I've had this argument regarding the importance of promoters also and firmly believe that the pool world has over time delegated all sorts of importance to the supporting cast of our sport and paid less and less attention to the talent

having said that, i believe there is a place in the game for anyone willing to contribute, just not above the players !
 
Jack Madden said:
and some others --- think that includes Montana player, Morgan Steinman. I talked to her a couple years ago about visiting the shop when she got home to visit her folks - just never connected.
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Jack, Morgan is definitely part of the group, as is Linda Pault, who Morgan works with at RT9 Design Studios. I also believe Val Finnie, player and travel companion of Kelly Fisher, is part of the group.
 
my reasoning is simply that custom cue makers are a not needed, not saying they don't contribute, but their accomplishments pale in comparison to player talent

you can watch world class pool with pros using $40 chinese sticks but you can't watch it without world class pool players

World class pool is what it is because of the advancement of the equipment. What was first, a champion player or a good cue? Somebody had to make the jump from maces to leather tips, then figure out what materials performed best as a tool to control that leather tip, then advance the entire thing into what we have today. I'm sure John Schmidt is a fine fellow, but he wouldn't be a champion pool player if custom cuemakers never pushed the game forward. Table makers, cloth makers, even chalk makers all made the game possible for players to become champions. Can John run 400 clay balls on cotton cloth? No knock to him but my guess is no. A good example is 100 different $40 chinese production cues all being design copied after Jerry Franklin's Southwest custom cues. Where did Predator come from? It wasn't just a shaft spit out of a factory. Somebody hand made the prototypes in a custom shop & then mass produced them. They wouldn't exist if a custom builder did not first put one together & work out the kinks until it was a solid product that advanced the game as we know it. So yes, a $40 cue can perform at world class levels, but it wouldn't exist without a world class custom builder to influence & design it.

It can be argued all day. What came first, the chicken or the egg? It's as everything else in life. You cannot have one without the other. So who gets the most credit? I say it should be as it is, pretty equal.
 
qbilder said:
my reasoning is simply that custom cue makers are a not needed, not saying they don't contribute, but their accomplishments pale in comparison to player talent

you can watch world class pool with pros using $40 chinese sticks but you can't watch it without world class pool players

World class pool is what it is because of the advancement of the equipment. What was first, a champion player or a good cue? Somebody had to make the jump from maces to leather tips, then figure out what materials performed best as a tool to control that leather tip, then advance the entire thing into what we have today. I'm sure John Schmidt is a fine fellow, but he wouldn't be a champion pool player if custom cuemakers never pushed the game forward. Table makers, cloth makers, even chalk makers all made the game possible for players to become champions. Can John run 400 clay balls on cotton cloth? No knock to him but my guess is no. A good example is 100 different $40 chinese production cues all being design copied after Jerry Franklin's Southwest custom cues. Where did Predator come from? It wasn't just a shaft spit out of a factory. Somebody hand made the prototypes in a custom shop & then mass produced them. They wouldn't exist if a custom builder did not first put one together & work out the kinks until it was a solid product that advanced the game as we know it. So yes, a $40 cue can perform at world class levels, but it wouldn't exist without a world class custom builder to influence & design it.

It can be argued all day. What came first, the chicken or the egg? It's as everything else in life. You cannot have one without the other. So who gets the most credit? I say it should be as it is, pretty equal.
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tap tap eric!!
 
Sponsors

John Barton said:
How else do you suggest they fish?

In this case John has proven himself quite successful at using this vehicle to reach a large audience of sponsors and supporters.

A potential sponsor reading this forum sees a young man with initiative and drive who puts the deal out there for all to see.

Effectively he is asking sponsors who are interested to contact him. Much more desirable than the old method of fishing which is send out inquiries to dozens of companies that file the request in the trash bin and don't bother to reply.

This is quite an efficient way for a pro to gauge both interest in sponsorship and fan support.

Of course, if you mean that it's a shame that one of the world's best players has to "find" a sponsor at all I could agree with you if pool were a big time sport. It's not. Pool is small time in the world and as long as it remains so then the players who choose to make it their full time gig remain at the point where they must solicit rather than being sought after.

However, if "the game" had the talents and connections of big time people like yourself then perhaps it could find the open door to the next level and players of John's caliber would not have to "fish" in small ponds like AZ for sponsors.

Would you care to step up and volunteer some time to get pool to that level?
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You are Spot On , John!! Regards, Kennyratt
 
A LITTLE FIRE

There are a few cuemakers (wood cutters) - Bobby Hunter, Dennis Searing, Billy Stroud who can play a little pool too;)
 
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