Two foul,push out 9 ball.

[Tom In Cincy]

You make it seem like 9 ball had a stigma of bad gamblers/gambling attached to it until TE came along.
Not sure how you got that out of my post, mind explaining? I certainly didn't think I came across that way.


The place I played and learned in, they gambled at all of the games. You seem put off by some of the questions I asked and the way I had asked them(you didn't answer them all)Fine with me, I don't take this seriously.
fine with me.

You don't have to keep selling TE like it were CTE.



If you knew how to play 2 shot, then you'd know that the game goes as fast(even faster) when you have 2 real players playing.
only REAL players? or do you mean players that are capable of running a rack? It takes the same time to run a rack of 9 ball under any rules... is that your point?

I think you might not know how to play it. If you do, let me hear how you interpret the rules.
Now that is a problem, when I did play by these so called 'roll out' or '2 shot BIH foul' the rules seemed to change from table to table. Let me ask you a question...

Can you find a written set of rules for the game you played? not just what you remember.. but written rules from an organization? if not, this is all just a battle of opinions and yours is worth no more than any other. Do this and then we might be able to discuss.

So far, you only state that you like the old rules and that TE destroyed 9 ball. Please explain why.

 

[canwin]

cut, bank, draw, fire, slop, safe, , hi, low, draw, hi-draw, low-draw.
And then left: cut, bank, draw, fire, slop, safe, left, right, hi, draw, hi-draw, low-draw. Bump, slide, knock, foul. pass.
I am sure I missed a few.
Now riddle me this: what other pool game game can you not play the ball frow where it lies?

You missed the one option that I was going for. Put on you thinking cap for a moment. Hint: when I push, I'm on 1 and your on zero. What other senario is there?

 

[canwin]

Coz there was a cluster?

Oh, I left it at an angle that you can't get to the OB too. Ya know, you are shooting into the railreal close and jacked up too.

In this situation, an obvious road block in running out, 1 foul rule only allows the most common obvious move and that's to play the safe on the ball before the cluster. (or leaving the object ball where you can't get shape to break the cluster) My point is, that's the only move you see and I can bet with 100% certainty is how this situation plays out. That gets old in a hurry and it's all too typical.
Whereas with 2 foul, a whole different situation plays out. One that's different everytime and interesting to watch how it plays out instead of the same strategy playing itself out . .over and over and over.

 

[canwin]

were havin fun now

One-foul and it's butt-ugly stepchild 3-foul only make tournaments go faster. Far more strategy and infinitely less luck in push-out. Also, when was the last time anybody had to make a SPOT-SHOT for their case $?

Butt ugly is right and what excitement huh! Now, you can win without making a ball!

 

[canwin]

Doesn't make much sense to belabor the fact because TE Rules are here.

Maybe it's about time for someone else to step up to the plate and pencil a new set of rules for 9-Ball. You know those types of rules that will sweep the World in just one year. Those types of rules that will be easy to understand & fair to every contestant. Rules that will bring thousands of players together over the year's time. Then along with that put together the 1st and largest Pool Tour ever recorded.

John, Robin & Randy did just that.

Who's next?
SPF=randyg

It's not fair to every contestant. If it was, you wouldn't have tagged it the great equalizer. TE rules did what it was meant to do.. it's a cash cow no doubt. In that regards, it's a total success. It's also boring as hell to watch and totally predictable senario-wise. It's a sterile version of a game as it was meant to be played. It stripped the game naked. I just enjoy the real 9 ball and that will never change. So, put me down as liking to play the game the way it was meant to play. It's more challenging that way . .

PS. Isn't it impossible to play a ring game with 2 shot rules or is it just me again!

 

[Black-Balled]

You missed the one option that I was going for. Put on you thinking cap for a moment. Hint: when I push, I'm on 1 and your on zero. What other senario is there?

I took care of 2 categories of responses to ye olde push. Please read agan?

 

[book collector]

Damn! Thought you were with me, then you were making fun of me!

As I stated, I liked 2 shot push out. But I also am a realist and I am sure it will never come back. The new generation has to have 5 hands of poker at a time and 1 minute chess is too slow for them. It only figures that pool will have to speed up and the things I said will do that.
The game will absolutely suck imo but thats what too many people want.
I will continue to play 1 pocket and have fun.
I didn't think I was making fun of you , sorry if it seemed that way.

 

[Black-Balled]

Butt ugly is right and what excitement huh! Now, you can win without making a ball!

3foul= loss is a must have.

Let's say 2 players are playing for the Intergalactic Planetary (Planetary) Championship and it is hill-hill.

7/8/9 on the table and the 8/9 block any/ all routes to the 7.

Who's gonna break 'em out?

 

[Black-Balled]

..
I will continue to play 1 pocket and have fun.
I didn't think I was making fun of you , sorry if it seemed that way.

I was joking- enjoying the discourse here...and the intercourse there.

Just wanted to note, for canwin, that 1p is an example of , "When ...not making a ball (came) to be known as pool...?"

 

[canwin]

I was joking- enjoying the discourse here...and the intercourse there.

Just wanted to note, for canwin, that 1p is an example of , "When ...not making a ball (came) to be known as pool...?"

What would TE rules for 1 pocket do to 1 pocket?
That's kind of where I'm at. But the game's not played as much as 9 ball so it wouldn't be a cash cow. I can hear Randy. .he just let out a big mooo

 

[Black-Balled]

What would TE rules for 1 pocket do to 1 pocket?
That's kind of where I'm at. But the game's not played as much as 9 ball so it wouldn't be a cash cow. I can hear Randy. .he just let out a big mooo

 

[canwin]

I took care of 2 categories of responses to ye olde push. Please read agan?

If I push, then I'm on one foul and you're on none. When someone pushes, the other man has the option to shoot, pass, or what? This is where all the misconception of 2 shot comes from. Hint: now we're both on one and it's time for one of us to make a good hit ..

 

[canwin]

Abso f......lootly hysterical my friend! That said it all!. .

 

[randyg]

What would TE rules for 1 pocket do to 1 pocket?
That's kind of where I'm at. But the game's not played as much as 9 ball so it wouldn't be a cash cow. I can hear Randy. .he just let out a big mooo

Moooooo

TE did have rules for 1-pocket. Ran many a great 1-pocket tournaments.

Cash cow???????

SPF=randyg

 

[canwin]

Can you find a written set of rules for the game you played? not just what you remember.. but written rules from an organization? if not, this is all just a battle of opinions and yours is worth no more than any other. Do this and then we might be able to discuss.

So far, you only state that you like the old rules and that TE destroyed 9 ball. Please explain why.

It's basically known as street style gentlemans rules so you don't need a book to learn it. You would agree to the rules before you started playing.
Had I known that in the future, you'd need a doctorate to wade through all the stipulations/rules that are there now and that the game would be hacked the way it has been now, I'd of sh.. myself in disbelief.(still do)
TE destroyed 9 ball just like TE would destroy 1 pocket. You yourself have said that TE is the great equalizer and that 2 shot was more difficult. Why'd you say that? I state my opinions and describe why I have them. You and others state your opinions like they're facts and then won't elaborate so anybody can understand where you're comin from.

 

[Tom In Cincy]

I apologize canwin,
Your rules are simple. Your style 9 Ball game is perfect.

According to you;
TE Rules spoiled 9 Ball's 2 shot foul. TE rules in match play or tournaments have just ruined your 9 Ball style and for all of pool.

Also;
The majority of pool players have adopted TE and accepted so for the last 25 Years.

You, sir, are in a very small Minority. IMHO. Bashing TE will not change any of this.

BTW, I haven't played by TE rules for 13 years. Any tournament or league I've run has been the World Standardized Rules.

Why don't I use 'roll out' rules? who's 'roll out' rules would I use? Would I have to ask all the 'street style gentlemen'? or just your opinion?

No one has complained either. Not one player in 13 years. Maybe it is because all these players know the rules and refer to them when necessary because they are in print and they don't have to ask around to see what the majority of players want the 'ruling to be'.

But, I do freely admit, when matching up with someone it is best to know if it is 'base of the ball' or 'any part of the ball'. 3 foul rule or NOT, 'push shots' legal or not, 'do overs' on bad breaks. Lots of agreeing to for those 1x1 tournaments.

It's basically known as street style gentlemans rules so you don't need a book to learn it. You would agree to the rules before you started playing.
Had I known that in the future, you'd need a doctorate to wade through all the stipulations/rules that are there now and that the game would be hacked the way it has been now, I'd of sh.. myself in disbelief.(still do)
TE destroyed 9 ball just like TE would destroy 1 pocket. You yourself have said that TE is the great equalizer and that 2 shot was more difficult. Why'd you say that? I state my opinions and describe why I have them. You and others state your opinions like they're facts and then won't elaborate so anybody can understand where you're comin from.

 

[canwin]

I apologize canwin,
Your rules are simple. Your style 9 Ball game is perfect.

According to you;
TE Rules spoiled 9 Ball's 2 shot foul. TE rules in match play or tournaments have just ruined your 9 Ball style and for all of pool.

Also;
The majority of pool players have adopted TE and accepted so for the last 25 Years.

You, sir, are in a very small Minority. IMHO. Bashing TE will not change any of this.

BTW, I haven't played by TE rules for 13 years. Any tournament or league I've run has been the World Standardized Rules.

Why don't I use 'roll out' rules? who's 'roll out' rules would I use? Would I have to ask all the 'street style gentlemen'? or just your opinion?

No one has complained either. Not one player in 13 years. Maybe it is because all these players know the rules and refer to them when necessary because they are in print and they don't have to ask around to see what the majority of players want the 'ruling to be'.

But, I do freely admit, when matching up with someone it is best to know if it is 'base of the ball' or 'any part of the ball'. 3 foul rule or NOT, 'push shots' legal or not, 'do overs' on bad breaks. Lots of agreeing to for those 1x1 tournaments.

2 shot was the way 9 ball was originally played in the beginning before TE right? Historically, you can't change that fact. I've been comparing the 2 styles and the difference between them. One, to me,is more interesting, challenging, and has more senarios that can be played out. It also has the
option that places both players in situations where you have to make a ball (which is the essence of the game) TE, on the other hand, you can rely on the now famous duck shot who's main objective is to get BIH. That, right there, is the main difference between the 2 styles.
Again, you have said that TE is the great equalizer and that 2 shot requires more skill. This case is closed. Mine anyway.

I haven't read what the World Standardised Rules. Would I have to buy the book? or can you explain them, if it's not too much trouble.
There is also another world out here besides tournaments you know. .

 

[ironman]

Doesn't make much sense to belabor the fact because TE Rules are here.

Maybe it's about time for someone else to step up to the plate and pencil a new set of rules for 9-Ball. You know those types of rules that will sweep the World in just one year. Those types of rules that will be easy to understand & fair to every contestant. Rules that will bring thousands of players together over the year's time. Then along with that put together the 1st and largest Pool Tour ever recorded.

John, Robin & Randy did just that.

Who's next?
SPF=randyg

I miss John and I would love to hear his opinion on this. One may not have liked what he had to say, but you SURELY would have known his opinion of it!
Please don't take things personally randy, if it wasn't this, it would be something else!
I'm old school as you well know, but the rules are the rules. I miss BIH, but I miss the Mannix too!

 

[Tom In Cincy]

I haven't read what the World Standardized Rules. Would I have to buy the book? or can you explain them, if it's not too much trouble.

World Standardized Rules can be read or copied from this location http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules

There is also another world out here besides tournaments you know. .

I am well aware of this side of the pool world. This is the side that makes up their own rules when they play and agree on them. They also choose their opponents, game, race or match type, table, time and reward. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, nothing at all.

Also, there is recreational play. The 75-90% of where the money comes to keep pool halls open.

Great chatting with you. I appreciate your comments and opinions.

 

[Race2-9]

9-ball rules

Better bring back clay balls and 10' tables along with the slowest cloth you can find! I am always amazed at individuals who don't want change...no jump cues (I like what some tournaments do, 2 jump shots in set with jump cue all others with either playing cue or break cue). Normally it's been my experience that most players want changes because they haven't adapted to new changes in the game. BTW tip and cue technology have made game easier also. Change will always come...if you don't like the rules, write new ones to get accepted, or come up with some other solution. I realize this may bother some and for that I am sorry but this subject keeps coming up and it seems like nothing more than B*&^%%& sessions! Good luck to all and lets find a way for tournaments to get more added money, more tournaments by a standard set of rules and at least reduce the complaints JMHO