Two new Covid vaccines to get us back in pool
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It is still going to take at least into the middle of next year for 330 Million people in this country to be vaccinated with 660 Million doses.
And as long as air travel between countries is allowed, the time to real safety is 14-15 Billion doses administered.
And we still don't know the side effects, or the longevity of protection, whether the virus will mutate to a form that is not covered by the current vaccines,.......
But there is at least hope by next christmas we will be back in an open society.
And as long as air travel between countries is allowed, the time to real safety is 14-15 Billion doses administered.
And we still don't know the side effects, or the longevity of protection, whether the virus will mutate to a form that is not covered by the current vaccines,.......
But there is at least hope by next christmas we will be back in an open society.
I'm figuring there's about a 50/50 chance of a full-fledged civil by then so a vaccine will probably be least of my worries. Extra mags and ammo? Yes.
Well people choice to get vaccine, or not. I will pass until lab rats & test subjects live or die.
There's a third one developed by Astra Zeneca in conjunction with Oxford that looks good, too. No vaccine has ever been rolled out with knowledge of all the side effects short term and long term and this one will be no different. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that more resources have been thrown at the development and planned rollouts of the COVID vaccine than were thrown at all other vaccines developed in the history of mankind combined.
I'm not taking a gov cocktail vaccine, designed to defeat a media hyped virus, in order to play pool.
All of these places are giving great success numbers, but I can't find out who the groups are they are testing. If they tested 100 % at risk people and had a 90% rate I would be impressed, but if they are testing a general population from 18 to ? and healthy individuals , the norm would probably be that without medicine? Figures never lie , but liars figure! I know one thing, I don't trust Big Pharma, just look at Roundup if you want a reason to be wary. They are paying off lawsuits for Roundup causing cancer ,yet it is still for sale in the US.
A lot more to the roundup story than people know. Way more people who use roundup don't have cancer then do, and that's assuming they got it from roundup. Many of these "fill in the blank causes cancer" studies are bogus. They test things at extremely high concentrations. Concentrations that would never occur in real life applications. Same with artificial sweeteners causing cancer. It's bogus research. I have a chemistry degree so I know what I am talking about.
As far as the vaccine is concerned, I will let others get it before me. Not that I am against vaccines or anything. I am young and healthy and have already had covid. If it gets to the point where I need to take it and its been out for a few years, then rolling my shirt sleeve up.
As far as the vaccine is concerned, I will let others get it before me. Not that I am against vaccines or anything. I am young and healthy and have already had covid. If it gets to the point where I need to take it and its been out for a few years, then rolling my shirt sleeve up.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am pretty diligent about getting a flu shot every year. I am not sure why, as I have gotten flu 3 out of the last 5 years. My sawbones swears getting the vaccine makes the actual flu much milder, so I guess that's why I keep getting the vaccine.
As for Covid, I tested positive 2 weeks ago. It was no where near as bad for me as my last couple bouts of flu. 3 days of being tired with a slight headache and loss of taste. Day four was back to normal.
I understand it affects people differently, and if I was elderly or had underlying health conditions it would certainly be different. But right now, I trust my own immune system much more than a new vaccine.
As for Covid, I tested positive 2 weeks ago. It was no where near as bad for me as my last couple bouts of flu. 3 days of being tired with a slight headache and loss of taste. Day four was back to normal.
I understand it affects people differently, and if I was elderly or had underlying health conditions it would certainly be different. But right now, I trust my own immune system much more than a new vaccine.
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I understand that many said the same thing about the Polio vaccines, I'll go for the vaccine rather than live handicapped so to speak.
Well the good News is a Vaccine is coming.
Bad News is unless you in a high risk group, first responders, healthcare worker, you not going to get Vaccine early.
Could be in 2021 midyear.
Bad News is unless you in a high risk group, first responders, healthcare worker, you not going to get Vaccine early.
Could be in 2021 midyear.
I am willing to accept the side affects of the vaccine as opposed to the side effects of Wuhan.
Pass.
We’ve been “back in pool” since August, but if a rushed-to-market vaccine with no more than a few months of testing under its belt is what it takes to get you out of your house, I’m genuinely happy for you.
We’ve been “back in pool” since August, but if a rushed-to-market vaccine with no more than a few months of testing under its belt is what it takes to get you out of your house, I’m genuinely happy for you.
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Well said. Especially when they are saying point blank it will change the DNA permanently and it's programmable through the nanoparticulates.....soon they will send it to the sheeple via Amazon with the new LuciferAse bandaid like delivery system. LoL
Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 is on schedule, introduced to the public in 2010, mapping out their game plan, most people don't even know it exists.
They won't mandate this new vaccscheme but if you don't take it they will cut us off from social activities and things that make life worthwhile ......it's the essential component needed to create a Totalitarian Technocratic system outlined by World Economic Forum......they call it the "Reset" which is another world for NWO. They don't even hide this stuff, they know they have the populations so dumbed down and scared of the Cov boogie man they can do and say whatever they want, few will hear, few will see, and even fewer will understand where this all leading.
They can only move forward while people acquiesce and obey their commands......fortunately there are millions that know the truth about this psychological operation and will be the resistance - I never would have believed how weak they've made people with their TV Programming, Broad Casting their propaganda 24/7 using every neuro linguist trick in the book to hypnotize the masses into begging for their own slavery.
I need to correct some misinformation with this thread. Forgive me if I am late, I just saw this thread.
Pfizer did include comorbidities (high risk) in their phase 2/3 trial. They were as follows:
Obesity- 35.1% of trial participants
Diabetes- 8.4% of trial participants
Pulmonary disease (lung diseases)- 7.8%
Moderna also included people with diabetes, chronic lung disease, obesity, cardiovascular disease, liver disease, and HIV. They don't give a break down of how many people per comorbidity.
The ages for the Moderna trial aren't given, however they enrolled 7,026 participants over the age of 65.
Here is the full data set for Pfizer:
Here is the FDA's briefing book on Pfizer's vaccine:
Here is the FDA's briefing book on Moderna's vaccine:
https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/do..._oPZufmTzqaUpUAtA4H_QUoVSNdv4PaPnia262wnLDd30
No data is being hidden and it is there for your viewing pleasure. There is a stark difference between placebo and vaccinated groups. Just look as the graphs in the links above. As you say, figures don't lie. The data is there. Briankenobi is correct in his statement about glyphosate. See my responses below.
If you drink too much water, you can flush all the electrolytes out of your body causing your brain to swell, which could lead to death.
Here is a case study where a woman died from water intoxication:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Are you going to stop drinking water? I didn't think so. FYI, some of the most toxic substances on this earth are natural and derived from nature.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Here is an article explaining how those vaccine efforts help SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) vaccine development:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The age range for the Pfizer trial wasn't explicitly stated, however in the phase 2/3 trial 1,712 people were over the age of 75. Good news is efficacy didn't change with age.
Pfizer did include comorbidities (high risk) in their phase 2/3 trial. They were as follows:
Obesity- 35.1% of trial participants
Diabetes- 8.4% of trial participants
Pulmonary disease (lung diseases)- 7.8%
Moderna also included people with diabetes, chronic lung disease, obesity, cardiovascular disease, liver disease, and HIV. They don't give a break down of how many people per comorbidity.
The ages for the Moderna trial aren't given, however they enrolled 7,026 participants over the age of 65.
Here is the full data set for Pfizer:
Here is the FDA's briefing book on Pfizer's vaccine:
Here is the FDA's briefing book on Moderna's vaccine:
https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/do..._oPZufmTzqaUpUAtA4H_QUoVSNdv4PaPnia262wnLDd30
No data is being hidden and it is there for your viewing pleasure. There is a stark difference between placebo and vaccinated groups. Just look as the graphs in the links above. As you say, figures don't lie. The data is there. Briankenobi is correct in his statement about glyphosate. See my responses below.
You a are absolutely correct about glyphosate and roundup. FYI, I have a Ph.D. in Medicinal Chemistry. One point I try to make to everyone I talk to is that the dose makes the poison. It doesn't matter what the substance is, it will kill you if you take it in high enough doses. Even water.
If you drink too much water, you can flush all the electrolytes out of your body causing your brain to swell, which could lead to death.
Here is a case study where a woman died from water intoxication:
Fatal water intoxication
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Are you going to stop drinking water? I didn't think so. FYI, some of the most toxic substances on this earth are natural and derived from nature.
These vaccines weren't developed overnight. Try more like 20 years. Part of the reason these vaccines were developed so fast is because they benefitted from years of vaccine research on SARS-CoV-1 and MERS, both of which are coronaviruses:
SARS Vaccine Development
Developing effective and safe vaccines is urgently needed to prevent infection by severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)–associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV). The inactivated SARS-CoV vaccine may be the first one available for clinical use because ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Obstacles and advances in SARS vaccine development
The emergence of the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) that resulted in a pandemic in 2003 spurred a flurry of interest in the development of vaccines to prevent and treat the potentially deadly viral infection. Researchers around the world pooled ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Recent Advances in the Vaccine Development Against Middle East Respiratory Syndrome-Coronavirus
Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) is a deadly viral respiratory disease caused by MERS-coronavirus (MERS-CoV) infection. To date, there is no specific treatment proven effective against this viral disease. In addition, no vaccine has been licensed ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Here is an article explaining how those vaccine efforts help SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) vaccine development:
Vaccines for SARS-CoV-2: Lessons from Other Coronavirus Strains
The emergence of the strain of coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) and its impact on global health have made imperative the development of effective and safe vaccines for this lethal strain. SARS-CoV-2 now adds to ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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This needs a response all on its own. And this is a flat out lie. If this were the case, we would have been able to cure many genetic diseases/disorders.
Let me explain how this mRNA vaccine works. First let me explain what DNA and mRNA are.
DNA- is our bodies genetic code. We all know that. It it housed in the nucleus of our cell and very tightly protected, rightfully so.
mRNA-is messenger RNA. It is a copy of DNA used for translation. That copy leaves the nucleus of the cell and gets transcribed into tRNA triplets, which code for an amino acid. This is how proteins are made in our bodies. Trust me when I say, I am just brushing the surface here.
The mRNA that is being used for these vaccines codes for the spike protein of the virus. When the mRNA vaccine is injected into your body, the mRNA makes it's way into your cells. But that is as far as it goes. It does not interact with our DNA in any way. The mRNA strand carries that genetic material for the vaccine gets transcribed by the ribosome to make only the spike protein of the virus. Our bodies don't have use for that mRNA anymore that they are chewed up/degraded by our bodies cellular mechanisms. The spike protein that our body just made, exits the cell and our bodies will recognize that as foreign, which triggers the immune response. Our body then generates antibodies that will recognize that spike protein. When your body come into contact with the real virus, it will recognize that spike protein and kill the virus.
It is important to say that the mRNA being used in the vaccine is biologically inert. They can't and don't interact with your DNA in any way. So not they can't change your DNA.
Here are two articles that explain this in more detail:
https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/no-really-mrna-vaccines-are-not-going-to-affect-your-dna
mRNA Vaccines and COVID-19 — Deplatform Disease
A summary of mRNA vaccines
www.deplatformdisease.com
My late dad was a chemPhD & science dept chair.
He could happily recite the Song of the Pizen (poison) squad in support of his contention as listed here by others that the dose makes the poison; & too much water can kill you.
I came to conclude late in life that what he knew in his field did not reliably provide expertise in the effects of many substances on human function & pathology.
Anyway, here is an article about one of CJ’s ancestors
& the government program “Poison Squad.
www.esquire.com
smt
He could happily recite the Song of the Pizen (poison) squad in support of his contention as listed here by others that the dose makes the poison; & too much water can kill you.
I came to conclude late in life that what he knew in his field did not reliably provide expertise in the effects of many substances on human function & pathology.
Anyway, here is an article about one of CJ’s ancestors
& the government program “Poison Squad.
The Poison Squad: An Incredible History
While the kitchen in the basement of the Agriculture Departments offices in Washington DC was unorthodox, it was hard to fault the food. The menu was wide and varied, and the chef, known only as Perry, had an impressive resume, incl...
smt
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