U.S. Open Events Won by Shane Van Boening
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The field was tough at first but then a lot of those players started heading home for banks and 1 pocket so those two wins for svb were not that impressive. He didn’t win the 10 and that was when just about everyone who matters that was playing in the Las Vegas open was there.
It is because low purses have often translated into small, not so elite, fields in far too many years. Because the CSI events piggybacked the World 10-ball, this year was better than usual. Some of the CSI US Opens have had fields of fewer than 20 and the Europeans, as a group, have rarely played in them.
I'm with you on the fact that this year's 10-ball was a good one, but the low prize money means that the top players won't travel overseas to play in these events very often.
Evading the question, I'll tell you where I rank him.
Let's leave out the straight pool era for a moment. I've never had an easy time comparing Mosconi, Greenleaf and Crane to today's generation.
I think Lassiter and Sigel are the two best American 9ball players ever (yes, both were also great champions at 14.1). After that, you can take your pick between Shane, Varner and Earl for best ever American 9ball player. No matter how you slice it, Shane is a top five ever American player. Yes, I rate SVB above Archer and Hall.
Efren is still clearly the best ever by virtue of his all-around excellence. I believe that Filler will be remembered as a better player than all of these, and, at 26 years old, his resume of major titles includes many major titles that have eluded Shane (such as the China Open, UK Open, World Games gold medal, and the World Team Championship).
Guess I'd put SVB as about fifth, sixth, or seventh best in the 9ball era, behind Lassiter, Sigel, Reyes and Filler and on a par with Earl and Varner.
Yup, he's an all-time great!
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As a fan, I hope I'm in his Top 20.
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Where you at tomato? If you were close I’d play you anytime. Never played 4-pocket but will give it a go.
tomatoshooter
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California
Southern or northern? I used to be in El Cajon yearly. Until a couple years ago. My uncle lives there. 20miles south of San Diego. Been itching to get back out there.
Van Boening's undefeated paths to victory in three 2024 US Open events:
10-Ball
One-Pocket
10-Ball
Francisco Sanchez-Ruiz 9-6
Fahad Zaidaldhayan 9-3
Alex Pagulayan 9-7
Carlo Biado 9-2
Daniel Maciol 9-6
Lee Van Corteza 9-4
Vitaliy Patsura 13-7
Total: 67-35 (game winning percentage 66%)
BanksBye
Can Salim 5-0
John Morra 5-0
Skyler Woodward 5-2
Lee Van Corteza 5-1
Billy Thorpe 5-4
Lee Van Corteza 6-3
Total: 31-10 (winning percentage 76%)
One-Pocket
John Morra 4-0
Ed Hobbs 4-0
Sergio Rivas 4-0
Tony Chohan 4-3
Billy Thorpe 4-2
Roland Garcia 5-2
Total: 25-7 (winning percentage 78%)
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Especially impressive in 10ball.
He won the 10, not the 8 (his favorite game).
Edit -- Perhaps you meant he didn't win the World 10-Ball event that preceded the 4 US Open events. He lost to Gorst in the Round of 16 in the World 10-Ball.
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I suspect you mis-read my question, although ultimately interpreted it correctly.
I see why others think you don't like him. He has as many titles as anyone and in a much more stacked era. I think he's the number one American player of all time and at least needs a seat at the table for GOAT status--that is, any choice other than him would need to be explained (alongside Efren and a few others).
garcia is sneaky good at one pocket, although he collapsed in the final. my biggest gripe with him is the way in which he is slow. he constantly gets up and down on a shot, which is extremely annoying
Yup. I wonder how much 1-Pocket Garcia has played. Remember Orcollo's pace when he was fairly new at it?
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Geez, anyone else remember that mess of a exhibition between Appleton and Strickland on some 4 pocket table diamond built specifically for that?
Did someone actually think that was going to take off? Did the table get chopped up into pieces?
that's exactly who i was thinking of when i saw roland. excruciating to watch. but dennis sped up later on, and his rotation game is a ferrari compared to rolands
No, his record overseas was pathetic for about the first ten years of his career. He did finally break through at the 2022 World Championships, but his overseas record is still a fairly weak one, and he has no significant overseas titles since then. His resume is missing many of the crown jewels of our sport. He's never won at the All Japan, the China Open, the World Games, the World Team Championship, and has no Matchroom majors in the past two years.
There's really nothing to explain. SVB is an all-time great, but it is time wasted to compare him to an Efren, a Sigel or a Filler, each of them having a superior career performance at the majors.
tomatoshooter
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I don't remember that. I heard a little about it but haven't watched any of it. 4 pocket is played on a standard table. One player tries to get the striped balls racked on the head spot into the two pockets at the foot of the table. The other tries to get the solids racked on the foot spot into the pockets at the head of the table. It's got some of the maneuvering of one pocket but it doesn't turn into a defensive stalemate.
tomatoshooter
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Sacramento
If I'm not mistaken werent there scheduling conflicts at least one of the early "US Opens" in Las Vegas where a big world event was simultaneously taking place in The Middle East?
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