A bunch of players not playing thinking about the "what ifs," while Barry is running the tournament as usual.
Uh oh. Berhman/ABP
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A bunch of players not playing thinking about the "what ifs," while Barry is running the tournament as usual.
Uhhhh, unless you got the Delorean up to 88 mph, we haven't jumped to event day just yet. There is plenty of time for the two sides to negotiate, if they so choose. In a manner of their choosing.
How else would you have Barry negotiate with them, if he cannot use his EXTREMELY generous offer of free entry to past champions as a bargaining chip? Is he just supposed to roll over and give in, because the players have stomped their feet? Negotiating is two sides offering and counter-offering, it happens all the time in these situations.
This story is far from over.
Which should tell the wise man - this is not worth it.
Barry meets the sanctioning guidelines so that his event meets the requirements for points/rankings with the BCA/WPA.
He answers to them.
Until the ABP is recognized by any of the official organizations, they will not be taken seriously.
This does not mean that players do not have valid concerns. They do. What I am saying is that they went about this all wrong.
They have time to go about it the right way - the more effective way - if they choose.
As it stands right now, Barry will still fill all the brackets with players (possibly even more) despite this lockout/boycott. It's win/win for Behrman, and lose/lose for the players.
The ABP should do something to tilt the odds back into their favor.
Just sayin.
For their first big organizational/political move, they did create shockwaves.
Maybe what they thought would happen is happening, or isn't happening.
I can't be sure of their intention. But on the record they have said, the ABP will create a voice, and I guess the voice wants to say Barry if you want us, you have to change because we requested it, not because of contractual obligations. The voice also has implications of Barry we honor you as a friend, but the way you manage the tour needs changing, so as a friend please listen to what we are asking you to consider.
The worst outcome would be people doing things they don't want to do but are forced to do because of requirements.
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No I dont, know about the current players or anything that hasnt been said by either side. I dont want to get mixed up in this.
Here is what I do know:
I did know about one player a few years ago who told me. And he was paid. It was not JA, a different player asked me once how long it took to get paid. I said "How would I know?" I figure he thought I knew something cause I know JA. I never asked JA if he got paid on the spot or not, its not my biz.
Its true I'm very tight with JA, however we dont talk much about pool and despite what is common belief I spoke to JA very little about this. I only knew something was going to be released sooner than later so there would be time to figure out a plan, to the best of my recollection thats what JA said one time-we mostly talk about the pool room biz when we talk about pool. I never got into details with JA about this, I never asked his anything about it. He only told me there was going to be a press release. He didnt elaborate I didnt ask. The reason why is because I am well know here, I didnt want to get involved in something that i'm not involved in. Ignorance is bliss.
I know lots of famous people much more famous than JA, but I'm much closer to JA than the others. One thing I learned over the years is when you know someone famous, stay clear of their professional life. Thats why I am liked and known by famous people, i'm not a liability or nosey. JA and I talk about family, pool room biz and everything else guys talk about except for his pro carreer stuff and to a much lesser extent my stuff thats known by the public. Thats just not the things famous people want to talk about. And in this case it is absolutely none of my business, and I sure as hell am glad of that.
as I said I hope it all works out.
best
eric
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Requirements are part of life.
My arguments is that this is not the players battle to fight. The sanctioning body should establish and enforce the rules. For whatever reason, that is not happening.
Right now, there are no consequences for promoters paying late, or not paying at all. There are no contracts between ranking organizations and players. There is no official representation for the players (which I have said FOR YEARS).
The ABP should fight to establish rules and bind the promoters to the sanctioning bodies to ensure compliance.
Late money - imaginary money coming in the future - not acceptable.
Bonded, tangible money in escrow - acceptable.
This isn't rocket science - and suicidal shockwaves make no sense.
The ABP is in the position to make themselves official. Push your energy into that, not with fighting with promoters.
Right now, official recognition by the sanctioning bodies is more important than their short term issues with Barry Behrman. Solve one problem, and you solve many, many others at the same time.
That's a realistic, effective strategy.
OMG! just a thought that came to me. What ifthis is all a BIG set up? all this fighting and drama about the US Open does 2 things. It draws attention to the ABP and it also draws attention to the US Open. Making both a talking point. Ok so at close to the last min they come to some agreement that looks good, BB will look great and the ABP will get the recognition of being a force to be reconed with and all will be happy that the 2 sides worked it out. A week later everyone smells like roses. This could be one of the greatest marketing ploys ever. Just a thought like I said but woth thinking about.
Should be interesting to see how the ABP responds.
If you think about it, in the big scheme of things, losing the $500 free entry, while a nice perk, shouldn't be enough to move them off their principled stance. Now, permanently barring them all, if they boycott -- now that would be something :-o
Honestly though, unless I missed it, it is still just promises from BB. He always has reason to believe the monies will be there, but, as we've all seen in past years: SH.
Lou Figueroa
If you think about it, in the big scheme of things, losing the $500 free entry, while a nice perk, shouldn't be enough to move them off their principled stance. Now, permanently barring them all, if they boycott -- now that would be something :-o
Honestly though, unless I missed it, it is still just promises from BB. He always has reason to believe the monies will be there, but, as we've all seen in past years: SH.
Lou Figueroa
IMO, for the top guys we are not just talking about the entry fee but also the potential cash that can be won too.
I agree maybe the players over-emphasized their "friend status" with Barry by specifically targeting him.
As for the channels of using sanctioning bodies, well that would be a move if the players didn't want to play politics.
And from their actions they are game for politics.
It is a learning process, if the group cohesion is strong, they might learn from what happens and discover better ways to deal with their group problems.
The example they are making of Barry is a highly political move. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Roswell was a cover up. I know who shot Kennedy. I can give Bigfoot the six.
According to Barry's statement shown below, he is unable to post full escrow in advance as most of the sponsorship dollars and other revenues don't become available until the week of the event.
I fail to understand how players, who continually request to be treated as professionals, can take such an unprofessional stand as to demand a full escrow in advance of the time that they know my sponsorship dollars are available to me. Most of the sponsorship monies do not arrive until the week of the Championship and so there is no way to escrow monies in advance that are not available to me. Indeed, upwards of $150,000 in revenues are generated during the week of the event and it is those monies that provide the bulk of the of the prize monies. "
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Read another way, he is basically saying that he is never going to have the full amount up front and will always be betting on the come.
From there we can debate the terms of "professionalism" as they apply to players and promoters
Lou Figueroa
Read another way, he is basically saying that he is never going to have the full amount up front and will always be betting on the come.
From there we can debate the terms of "professionalism" as they apply to players and promoters
Lou Figueroa
That is what a famous money manager used to say to his victims, his name is Bernie Madoff.
Other common phrases were, "if you pull out now, you won't be able to take advantage of the upcoming big deal," "don't pull out when the money is making such great returns, think long term."
justnum, you're spouting nonsense by comparing Barry to Madoff. Your other quotes are completely irrelevant to this thread.
Or:
"I can't post up my half of the money until my stake horse gets here.
But I'm good for it so let's just start playing anyway."
Lou Figueroa
Brandon...Remember, the free entry is only for past champions. Only a select few on the ABP list can count themselves as past US Open Champions. 
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Read another way, he is basically saying that he is never going to have the full amount up front and will always be betting on the come.
From there we can debate the terms of "professionalism" as they apply to players and promoters
Lou Figueroa
Nobody is making these guys play in the US Open. If you don't think you're going to get paid in full, then don't go. It's as simple as that.
As far as debating the terms of professionalism, there's nothing professional about the ABP using a extortionist boycott to achieve their demands.
justnum...Yep, and that 'shockwave' created a tsunami of bad press right back at them as a result. Bad move, if you ask me.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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