(Unnoticed) 9-Ball Foul - Object Ball Out of Order

sjm said:
Another interesting rule arose when Parica played Van Corteza in the US Open 8-ball. Parica had made the eight on the break but neither he nor Lee noticed. The rule in use was that eight on the break would spot and the player making it would retain control of the table. After Parica pocketed another ball before spotting the eight, the game was awarded to Lee.
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I don't think there is a WSR pool rule that covers this. Maybe CSI has one. At snooker, it used to be a foul if the player shot after the ref incorrectly spotted a ball.
 
ill continue to stay away from any organized events in pool.
ive been gambling at pool for higher stakes for many decades and never have any of these kind of issue arrive.

any problems, we have just asked for an opinion and had agreed to abide by it. but 99% of the time just reason it out and it works.

the guy who was wrong always knows he was wrong.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It is a standard rule in pool that if a foul is not called before the next shot is taken, then the foul is ignored.
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Most people who have done it,do own up to it.especially in tournaments.if watching what's going on its pretty obvious. What is less obvious, is cue ball fouls.unless your over the shot. Your relying on some ones honesty.
 
Black-Balled said:
Depends on how good you both are at fightin.

I think if the inning following the error has finished, tough titties and play the game out.

I also I'm trying to envision a scenario where the shooter shoots the ball after and then the ball before and neither participant notices upon the 2nd first ball that it is after what it is before.

Makes my head swim.
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The 6 and 7 on certain sets of Dynaspheres can make this happen...much confusion happened multiple times last night... the grey 6 and light blue 7 set (Asian version of the platinum/palladium or whatever they're called now). Although no one actually committed a foul, just played shape for the wrong ball. Even getting down to shoot it a couple times then being like "no, no, no..." 🤣 Even had Moritz Neuhausen and Mickey Krause confused. Didn't help we were using Aramith's on the other table that was open...
 
I think if the foul isn't called prior to the next shot, then what are you going to do? Re-rack? Pay attention! being the lesson.
 
bad rules if a foul happens and the player doesn't see it or doesn't call it on himself, and the other player takes his shot because he didn't or was blocked from seeing it why should the offender get a pass and the incoming player pay the penalty.

what if it was un sportsmanship conduct do you pass if the next player shot.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It is a standard rule in pool that if a foul is not called before the next shot is taken, then the foul is ignored.
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Agreed, but what made it (sort of) an issue, was that the scorekeeper for Player2 (not shooting) could not get play stopped before the 6 ball was shot.

All easy-going people, so it was worked out without bloodshed, but your statement of the "standard" answers my question. I have known that to be employed in 8-ball, but never seen it happen in 9. If it were specified in an 8-ball ruleset, I would then question whether it was actually standard--because then I would think it would also have to be specified in the 9-ball ruleset.
 
maha said:
bad rules if a foul happens and the player doesn't see it or doesn't call it on himself, and the other player takes his shot because he didn't or was blocked from seeing it why should the offender get a pass and the incoming player pay the penalty.

what if it was un sportsmanship conduct do you pass if the next player shot.
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Unsportsmanlike conduct is handled by the ref at the table
Players current and prior actions/reactions are now part of the refs decision making.
After looking at the incident, will determine the foul to be administered.
 
heater451 said:
... If it were specified in an 8-ball ruleset, I would then question whether it was actually standard--because then I would think it would also have to be specified in the 9-ball ruleset.
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You may want to look at the World Standardized Rules. As much as possible all the rules that apply to all games have been pulled out of the rules for the individual games. Timeliness of foul calls is common to all games.

Eight ball needs a special rule for when the players switch groups but that's a different problem. One pocket has a similar problem.
 
Bob Jewett said:
You may want to look at the World Standardized Rules. As much as possible all the rules that apply to all games have been pulled out of the rules for the individual games. Timeliness of foul calls is common to all games.

Eight ball needs a special rule for when the players switch groups but that's a different problem. One pocket has a similar problem.
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Just for completeness - CSI 8-ball rules, which are based on WSR, do have a rule for wrong group (see section 3 below):

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If the wrong group was played and no foul called, the only recourse is replay the game. If it is not discovered or discovered after the game is over, then the result stands.
 
heater451 said:
In APA 8-ball, I believe that there is a rule that if a player shoots the wrong suit (obviously, closed table), and pockets a 2nd ball of the same suit before anyone notices the foul, then they get to claim that suit--or are now assigned that suit. I have never heard of a similar rule in 9-ball, and have only done minimal web searching to try and find an answer (which I did not find).

In 9-ball, is there a similar rule, where if a ball is shot out of order but no one notices, and the shooter pots the next ball then they get the benefit of the lack of oversight? And the foul could no longer be called retroactively? [Note, this is assuming that it was unintentional--I have been guilty of falling into 8-ball mode during a 9-ball game myself, so I believe anyone else can as well.]
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Believe that the rule in APA 8-ball is that, if your opponent shoots your balls, you can let him keep shooting them (in the same turn) until he gets to the 8. If you let him shoot the 8 he either wins by making it or if he misses your balls are now his. If you stop him before he shoots the 8, you can get up and shoot the 8.
 
in 8 ball if he shoots your ball you get ball in hand in most places other than bars. if you let him keep shooting your balls you are probably a sucker and dont understand the game.
 
sjm said:
Another interesting rule arose when Parica played Van Corteza in the US Open 8-ball. Parica had made the eight on the break but neither he nor Lee noticed. The rule in use was that eight on the break would spot and the player making it would retain control of the table. After Parica pocketed another ball before spotting the eight, the game was awarded to Lee.
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I hate to say this but I once played a game of 8-ball where I broke and the 8 was pocketed (APA rules, so it was for the win) and neither of us saw it. We played two innings before we noticed. Story is also a testament to my making the 8 on the break so infrequently that I don’t even look for it.
 
heater451 said:
In APA 8-ball, I believe that there is a rule that if a player shoots the wrong suit (obviously, closed table), and pockets a 2nd ball of the same suit before anyone notices the foul, then they get to claim that suit--or are now assigned that suit. I have never heard of a similar rule in 9-ball, and have only done minimal web searching to try and find an answer (which I did not find).

In 9-ball, is there a similar rule, where if a ball is shot out of order but no one notices, and the shooter pots the next ball then they get the benefit of the lack of oversight? And the foul could no longer be called retroactively? [Note, this is assuming that it was unintentional--I have been guilty of falling into 8-ball mode during a 9-ball game myself, so I believe anyone else can as well.]
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If you don't catch a foul before the next shot is pocketed, it's too late to call anything

There is a call out somewhere to that effect, not specifically about 9-ball rotation
 
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