Unwritten Tournament Rules?
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I believe this falls under being a good sportsman. I'd give the reset.
-cOOp
I believe this falls under being a good sportsman. I'd give the reset.
-cOOp
If no other balls were disturbed, I would treat it the same as the shooter bumping a ball with their hand. Their opponent would have the option to put it back where it was or leave it where it is. A good sportsman would probably move it back under the circumstances. If balls were disturbed, I would recomend replaying that game. JMO
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Jen_Cen said:
Here are the World Standard Rules.
1.9 Outside Interference
When outside interference occurs during a shot that has an effect on the outcome of that shot, the referee will restore the balls to the positions they had before the shot, and the shot will be replayed. If the interference had no effect on the shot, the referee will restore the disturbed balls and play will continue. If the balls cannot be restored to their original positions, the situation is handled like a stalemate.
Stalemate rules are specified for each game. Unsportsmanlike conduct is assessed against the competitors and doesn't apply to audience members.
Regards,
Jim
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A few weekends ago I was playing in a tourney, I was on the hill with my opponent needing 2 games. I made the 7 and got down the table for an easy tap in 8 - 9 combo, As I got around the corner of the table the coin slot, which was sticking out 3 inches from the table, drilled my knee really hard. I jolted and my cue hit the cueball on the top. I didn't even know I hit the cue ball, because it didn't move at all and my knee was cut.
I stepped back and checked my knee, then approached the table again. My opponent called foul and said I hit the cueball with my cue. I was shocked. I asked some other players and everyone said it was a foul. My opponent won that game and then snapped the 9 on the next break. Just like that I was eliminated.
I was hoping to find a ruling on something like this!
The other night I saw a player about to take a shot, have the guy on the next table run into him and knock his cue forward. 3 or 4 balls moved all over the table. No one knew what to do, so they just kept playing.
Anyone know what we should have done in these 2 instances......
I stepped back and checked my knee, then approached the table again. My opponent called foul and said I hit the cueball with my cue. I was shocked. I asked some other players and everyone said it was a foul. My opponent won that game and then snapped the 9 on the next break. Just like that I was eliminated.
I was hoping to find a ruling on something like this!
The other night I saw a player about to take a shot, have the guy on the next table run into him and knock his cue forward. 3 or 4 balls moved all over the table. No one knew what to do, so they just kept playing.
Anyone know what we should have done in these 2 instances......
pretty simple
The second situation is already covered in this thread. In the first one, it seems that multiple people verified you fouled. That is the end of the story. I have accidentally hit a ball on the table when I stepped in a sticky spot on the floor as I approached a shot. Like the coin slot, it fell under the heading of my responsibility. The difference between my stumble or your gouged leg and someone else hitting the player is that both of our accidents were within our control and ability to prevent. We were both a little careless moving around the table.
Hu
The second situation is already covered in this thread. In the first one, it seems that multiple people verified you fouled. That is the end of the story. I have accidentally hit a ball on the table when I stepped in a sticky spot on the floor as I approached a shot. Like the coin slot, it fell under the heading of my responsibility. The difference between my stumble or your gouged leg and someone else hitting the player is that both of our accidents were within our control and ability to prevent. We were both a little careless moving around the table.
Hu
stuckart said:
In league play, it depends on what league you play in. VNEA rules state that if balls are moved, even accidentally, the OPPONENT has the right to decide whether to put them back. If the offending player moves the balls back, without the express permission of the opponent, it is a ball-in-hand foul. I've seen this rule used MANY times in Vegas.
Scott Lee
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LOL, I was once playing an APA match in this crowded bar. I was all set to shoot a straight in 8-ball when someone walked right into me. I missed the pocket by TWO diamonds and nearly fell over. Can you believe, I actually had to argue with my opponent for a do-over?
Jude Rosenstock said:
APA-4-LYFE. APA IS LIFE... to a lot of these f'in apa people. I'm not surprised you had to argue with them. It's quite sad really. Makes me think they have nothing else in their life except APA hence the saying a few of us always say "APA FOR LIFE!"
cubc said:
They are literally pool's first generation of players born out of leagues.
Jen_Cen said:
I think this is actually a "written" rule. If an outside force interferes with the game, the balls are to be put in their prior positions to the best ability. This works best with a ref. of-course.
This has happened to me in a tournament at least once, about to shoot and my arm gets bumped from behind making me hit the cueball. Ball was placed where it was and I re-shot.
Jen_Cen said:
Jen, you can't tell your boyfriend to walk into your opponent while he's shooting. He's going to be allowed to shoot the shot over again.
Scott Lee said:
I have seen this rule used many times in VNEA also, but the OPPONENT also decides WHERE the balls started from and can replace them with little argument from the shooter. I have seen the shooter get a slightly different (worse) shot than they started with. I have also seen a shooter get an entirely different shot than they had before they bumped the balls, but it is up to the OPPONENT to set the balls back.
So...then what happens if you get down on a shot and someone gets knocked into the back of your cue and it jolts your cue forward sending the CB on its way and it pockets the OB? ...(with perfect shape on the next shot of course)
Do you keep shooting? Or do you re-set the balls?
Do you keep shooting? Or do you re-set the balls?
BRKNRUN said:
Against 98.7% of the APA, I'm saying, "Like hell!" and making them shoot it over!
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If I'm the one shooting, I would probably go jedi on them.
Jude Rosenstock said:
I was at APA regionals this year and a teammate of mine was playing nineball needing a couple points (5 I think) with the opponent needing 1 point. She gets down to shoot a realitively easy shot, gets bumped by someone not paying attention and her cue touches the cue ball. Moves it maybe 3-4 inches. The opponent calls foul and she stops everything, goes and talks to the regional director and he tells her it is a ball and hand foul, nothing he can do about it. He seemed to want to do something, but realized he couldn't. To make matters worse the offending party that caused the bump, was keeping score for another table and his answer was you should be more careful to watch for people around you when you shoot.
The other person takes ball in hand and makes his one ball to eliminate her in the semi's for a singles trip to vegas. I felt bad, I would have let her reset the shot no matter what the rules stated. Chances of her running 5 balls where pretty low, as she is a 2 and the table wasn't super easy. I guess sometimes I just don't want to win that way. On the other side the guy ended up getting beat in the finals pretty handedly, so maybe that's karma coming around.
On the positive side that is the only even slightly negative experience I have had or seen with a person at regionals.
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