UPA's 14.1 event

Is there a link to the "invite" llst? They have an amateur 14.1 Championship coming up in the not too distant future. I also noticed that neither Grady, myself, Nick Varner or Buddy Hall were on DP's ineligible list for their amateur events. Grady, wanna go? lol.

DP Ineligible list
 
Corvette1340 said:
Jam,
I haven't once said a single word about you or Keith or anyone else on this forum. The fact that I make light of certain subjects is apparently funny to some since I get a fair amount of rep and am generally liked. In fact, I often diffuse flame wars on here between people with my wit and banter. Like you, I am also entitle to my opinions and entitle to post in any thread on here. That is also the American way.

Did you or did you not post this in response to my post?

I'm not quite sure what you are griping about. Why don't you get sponsors and put on an invitational and invite Keith, Grady, and all of their friends and leave Charlie out?

Record speaks for itself, Pal.

JAM
 
Blackjack said:
Is there a link to the "invite" llst? They have an amateur 14.1 Championship coming up in the not too distant future. I also noticed that neither Grady, myself, Nick Varner or Buddy Hall were on DP's ineligible list for their amateur events. Grady, wanna go? lol.

DP Ineligible list

Why are all these people ineligable? Johnnyt
 
JAM said:
And your reign of terror on this forum is establishing a track record.

If I remember correctly, you're the guy who boasted on this forum for having a $150,000 job, plays Internet poker all day long on the job, and are enjoying a new arrival in your family. There are some people who have been in this pool racket for their entire life, and when incidents happen which affect their lives, it is not a laughing matter to joke about. Why not leave this topic to the big boys who have wisdom and go play some Texas Hold'em to pass the time.

JAM


lol, what do my finances have to do with any of this? And these big boys that you speak of, are you on the 14.1 committee? I think I have the right to post in this thread. I am pretty sure that I know personally and have played golf with, gambled with or gone out with at least 50% of the worlds top players so I think I have a pretty good understanding.
 
JAM said:
Did you or did you not post this in response to my post?

I'm not quite sure what you are griping about. Why don't you get sponsors and put on an invitational and invite Keith, Grady, and all of their friends and leave Charlie out?

Record speaks for itself, Pal.

JAM


If that is the worst you can come up with then my point is proven. That was an actual suggestion to you. I am bored with this discussion, next topic.
 
corvette1340 said:
lol, what do my finances have to do with any of this? And these big boys that you speak of, are you on the 14.1 committee? I think I have the right to post in this thread. I am pretty sure that I know personally and have played golf with, gambled with or gone out with at least 50% of the worlds top players so I think I have a pretty good understanding.

No, I am not on any 14.1 committee to answer your sarcastic question.

And yes, you have every right to post in this thread.

By stating that you have played golf with, gambled, or gone out with at least 50 percent of the world's top players, does that make you a pool expert? The description you provide reminds me of the definition of a "groupie," IMHO.

JAM
 
corvette1340 said:
If that is the worst you can come up with then my point is proven. That was an actual suggestion to you. I am bored with this discussion, next topic.

You're bored with the topic because you were proven wrong.

JAM
 
last years roster i believe had very experienced players, not mere 2 year veterans

Names come to mind such as:
Sigel
Hopkins
Hunter
Barouty
Garcia
Zuglan
Varner

Long standing players of 14.1 that are still young:
Schmidt
Harriman
Lee
Ouschan
Hohmann
Engert
Souquet
Ortmann
Robles
Immonen

I would dare say the vast majority of the field was very experienced 14.1 players.

I dont know why Grady was not invited, but i heard some other older players were invited they just could not make it there.


JAM said:
Is Mike Templeton a renown 14.1 pool player? I did not know that.

What's a joke is to label a tournament as a "world championship" straight pool tournament and have a player roster consisting of pool players who haven't been playing straight pool for more than a year or two.

The "power," as you put it, was granted to an unknown entity by another unknown entity who worked for the BCA several years ago. When things got tough, one unknown entity jumped ship and left another player holding the bag with no funds and no means to continue.

I don't see anything wrong with an invitational tournament at all, but I do think it is ridiculous to call it a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 14.1 POOL TOURNAMENT when the competitors are a little green in the 14.1 department. Why not include actual, living, 14.1 pool champions who have existing titles to back up their skills set in the game of straight pool? Makes sense to me! JMHO, FWIW.

And by the way, just because I express an opinion about a topic, please don't bring my boyfriend's name into the picture. I didn't mention one word about Keith playing in a 14.1 tournament. You seem like a trouble-maker who likes to stir the pot.

JAM
 
Spade said:
last years roster i believe had very experienced players, not mere 2 year veterans

Names come to mind such as:
Sigel
Hopkins
Hunter
Barouty
Garcia
Zuglan
Varner

Long standing players of 14.1 that are still young:
Schmidt
Harriman
Lee
Ouschan
Hohmann
Engert
Souquet
Ortmann
Robles
Immonen

I would dare say the vast majority of the field was very experienced 14.1 players.

Thanks for providing some names of the experienced and established 14.1 players. :)

Just out of curiosity, what is the percentage of these 14.1 players in the existing field?

JAM
 
my two cents...

from what I could tell last yeat dp made a pretty good attempt at inviting the old boys of 14.1 who probably deserved it more than anybody. I heard many many people describe last years field as the greatest 14.1 field ever, I have no idea if this was true or not put it was pretty strong (eg 1 group alone had 3 or 4 guys who had run 400+ balls in it!!! :eek: )

Now considering this was a WPA sanctioned event and most of these guys DID NOT have any kind of world or national ranking this was a pretty good gesture in my opinion. Even Danny was invited and did pretty well despite previous politics which I know little about.

From what I know this year the WPA has taken more of the spots away because to be a true world championships different regions around the world have to be given spots, add to that the top 16 get invited back you can see that there are not going to be many wild card invites at all given its a 64 man field.

I haven't looked at the qualifiers but at least there are qualifiers at a reasonable price, its certainly infinately cheaper and easier to qualify for this event that the IPT!!!

I find it interesting that some people didn't complain when they were hand picked for the IPT but now of course invited tournaments suck and the promoters are the devil! :rolleyes:

From what I can tell this event is no different to the WPC, BCA Open, etc etc an invited field with numerous qualifiers to enable anyone to have a go and prove the "selectors" wrong. The only difference I can see is that last year at least they (dp) ignored ranking lists as best they could to ensure most living 14.1 legends got a chance to play.
 
TheOne said:
my two cents... I find it interesting that some people didn't complain when they were hand picked for the IPT but now of course invited tournaments suck and the promoters are the devil! :rolleyes:

The so-called "hand-picked players" who were selected for the IPT tour that you reference did, in fact, apply to the IPT with an application and description of their pool capabilities before a designated deadline. Some players, for whatever reason, who may have been worthy of an IPT membership did not apply.

A large number of players who were granted IPT membership were well-known pool players in various pocket billiards disciplines, i.e., BCA's Hall of Famers, pool players with documented championship titles on their portfolios. Of course, as with the "invited" players for the recent BCA Open, some players got into the IPT because they paid 100 bucks to an organization which manages a tour with two or three tournaments a year.

Again, I personally do not see anything wrong with an invitational tournament, but to label it as a "world championship" in game of 14.1, when some of the competitors who are invited have not played straight pool for more than a year or two seems odd.

One could promote a world championship nine-ball tournament and invite amateur league players, social shooters, or bar bangers, but what meaning does this "world championship" title hold in the record books when the player roster consists of unaccomplished nine-ball shooters?

TheOne said:
From what I can tell this event is no different to the WPC, BCA Open, etc etc an invited field with numerous qualifiers to enable anyone to have a go and prove the "selectors" wrong. The only difference I can see is that last year at least they (dp) ignored ranking lists as best they could to ensure most living 14.1 legends got a chance to play.

The BCA Open has four qualifiers a year -- not quite "numerous," I would say. A large majority of American players who were selected to compete in the BCA Open paid 100 bucks to an organization that, quite frankly, didn't have a very comprehensive tour package within the past year. So what kind of ranking system was used for selection for the American players to compete in the BCA Open? Did they telephone one pool organization with a two- or three-tournament tour and ask for a list of names of American players who did well in the two tournaments of the tour?

In the recent world championship in Europe, there were no American players invited -- NONE. Did the world pool organization choose to ignore American players for this event? Of course, who would they call to get a list of the ranked players? Therein lies a problem in the year 2007.

JAM
 
Recent World Championships in Europe? If memory serves me correctly, the last three years of WCs were held in [Pacific] Asian countries.

JAM said:
In the recent world championship in Europe, there were no American players invited -- NONE. Did the world pool organization choose to ignore American players for this event? Of course, who would they call to get a list of the ranked players? Therein lies a problem in the year 2007.

JAM
 
The lighting was fine.

Water leaked onto the tables because there was a severe thunder storm. This was held at the Hilton, in the ballroom on the 3rd (4th?) floor. There were a good 6-10 floors above it, so it's not as if it were a cheap Motel 6 with a leaky roof. Thunder, lightning, and torrential rainfall continued through the evening and eventually the hotel couldn't handle it. How in the world can you blame this on Charlie / Dragon P / the UPA?

Edit: Additional note -- Yes, I was there. I saw the leaky roof even. I even took a video tape and posted it on Youtube.

JAM said:
It was reported by some players who were in attendance last year that the playing conditions were not up to par -- poor lighting, water leaking from the roof onto the tables, extraordinarily long wait times between matches resulting in players having to compete at 2:00 and 3:00 a.m., and favoritism given to selected players to compete at convenient times when others had to stand by for hours on end.
JAM
 
StevenPWaldon said:
The lighting was fine.

Water leaked onto the tables because there was a severe thunder storm. This was held at the Hilton, in the ballroom on the 3rd (4th?) floor. There were a good 6-10 floors above it, so it's not as if it were a cheap Motel 6 with a leaky roof. Thunder, lightning, and torrential rainfall continued through the evening and eventually the hotel couldn't handle it. How in the world can you blame this on Charlie / Dragon P / the UPA?

I did not blame anything on "Charlie / Dragon P / the UPA" [sic].

I did relay what was told to me by several players who competed in the tournament. One player stated the lighting was poor, which made it difficult for him to give his best performance. He couldn't see the pool balls well. The logistics of the event may have not been thought through, it seems to me, because the schedule did not provide enough time for 14.1games, which is why I think -- and I may be wrong -- the tournament matches continued until 2:00 and 3:00 a.m. for some players, but not all.

JAM
 
StevenPWaldon said:
Recent World Championships in Europe? If memory serves me correctly, the last three years of WCs were held in [Pacific] Asian countries.

I was not referring to the WPC. I did not provide a name for the tournament because I did not take the time to look it up. However, if it pleases you, I will do so. Please advise.

JAM
 
I must assume you're referring to Matchroom Sports' World Pool Masters? When you said "world championships," I assumed you indeed meant the world championships.

JAM said:
I was not referring to the WPC. I did not provide a name for the tournament because I did not take the time to look it up. However, if it pleases you, I will do so. Please advise.

JAM
 
StevenPWaldon said:
The lighting was fine.

Water leaked onto the tables because there was a severe thunder storm. This was held at the Hilton, in the ballroom on the 3rd (4th?) floor. There were a good 6-10 floors above it, so it's not as if it were a cheap Motel 6 with a leaky roof. Thunder, lightning, and torrential rainfall continued through the evening and eventually the hotel couldn't handle it. How in the world can you blame this on Charlie / Dragon P / the UPA?

Edit: Additional note -- Yes, I was there. I saw the leaky roof even. I even took a video tape and posted it on Youtube.

And I had to play around a bucket! But rather than BAG the event why not congratulate somebody for reveiving straight pool, some players hadn't played for a year lol, some players hadnt played it for decades because it isnt played anymore, heck half the guys there didnt know the rules lol!

This year...top 16 get invited back + most remaining spots I beleive go to WPA to hand out to regional/national organisations who select their best players + remaining (I suspect VERY limited!) number given to promoter as wild cards + NUMEROUS qualifiers! What more can u ask for, selection based on a nicely worded application? :D

JAM
If you still belive the IPT selection process wasn't wholey contrived to generate income from all the pro players who missed out then I really am wasting my time on here lol We've been through this a thousand times and we both know the IPT rejected pro players who DID apply on time and they also selected players that hadn't picked up a cue in ten years let alone played a specific game and some who didn't even write a word on their application lol

The fact is the hypocrosy of some players who where hand picked for the IPT stands out for all to see. I don't recall one IPT player standing up and saying this isn't right, and I'm not playing because I don't beleive in invited tournaments! :rolleyes: Actually they do sometimes but only when they're not invited lol:p
 
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