Us 10 ball out of griffs ..nice reminder for the match room complainers
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Yes, templates make a major difference.
For the 23 matches (385 games) I watched in the World 10-Ball event -- successful breaks 55%, B&Rs 19%, and breaker won game 53%.
For the 6 matches (89 games) I watched in the US Open 10-Ball event -- successful breaks 87%, B&Rs 33%, breaker won game 65%.
But when the breaks were successful, the runouts from the break weren't too far apart -- 35% at the World 10-Ball and 38% at the US Open.
Atorontopoolplayer
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Don't think it's a coincidence which one SVB was more successful in
InsertCleverNameHere
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Templates suck. Randomness is a good thing.
Scrunge19
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Unfortunately it’s the one that has basically the same field as last week but only pays 1/8th as much to the winner. Not that he’s going to have to skip any meals regardless.
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I think your view of the US Open misses the point entirely. Yes Pros are playing there but so are others. This is an opportunity to grow the game - something Mark Griffin had a real heart for. A mixture of amazing players and those who wish to be - who cannot enter a Matchroom event. The commentators you mentioned are self admittedly streamers not commentators. They do an amazing job offering allowing chat interaction and pool conversation targeted to people who are not pros. The whole idea is to make pool fun. In an interview with SVB he stated that he was not at all bugged by the guy in the wheelchair. He’s a pro. It’s ok if this is not a format that you feel comfortable with. There are plenty of events that you would appreciate more. However - it is not okay for you to trash the event or the streamers/commentators a lot of people are getting to see pros play free pool and they are loving it. If they are watching you would assume they know how to play pool and do not require a “professional commentator” to enjoy the stream. No disrespect to professional commentators, I would listen the any match that JJ. Commentates in a heart beat. Lighten up on the judgement .
Can't fault Mark Griffin at all. Doing what he loves. Same thing for the streamers. Kudos to them.
I can also see why some might think events like this will grow the game. Me, I doubt it. These are small-time affairs and will always remain so (which is fine).
Growing the game, on the other hand, requires big events, with big money, and aura of high stakes and plenty of professionalism. Oh, and oddsmakers in Las Vegas laying down the numbers. just like they do with the NFL etc.
Do I want to see the game grow? I am not sure.
There are only three reasons I can think of to want the game to grow, at least in the U.S.
One, a more popular sport would lead to the creation of more pool rooms for me and others to play in. Maybe prices would be a little cheaper because of the competition. I might not have to travel as far. We'd all have more people we can play, too.
Two, a bigger game would reward the amazingly skilled pro pool players of today. These are highly skilled players who deserve to earn a lot more money than they do.
Three, pool is already fun. It would be great to see it more accessible on regular television. That said, Youtube feeds are by and large just as good (MR) or almost as good.
Of these three reasons, only the second one, more money for pros, really tugs at my heart. I know how hard it is to do what they do.
But beyond that? I am happy to play and keep doing what I am doing. I am not going to be affected much, if at all, whether the game grows or not.
I think its great and Griffs is more than fine to have a tournament like this, taking this away would take a money away from the room and go to some big venue that the money doesnt go back into pool. Griffs is going to keep the money moving in the pool world I say keep it there. The stream is great the guys are funny and they know about pool and what good pool looks like and its free you can just turn it off and watch The View instead for professional commentary lol
i actually prefer them showing lower ranked players in 8-ball. svb vs albin, svb didnt miss a ball, but broke dry once and that determined the outcome. 8-ball is too easy for the top dogs
whats next after 8-ball?
whats next after 8-ball?
Are they playing Take What You Make? If not, the game is far too easy for this level of players.
you wouldn't have these top players without the poolrooms. and those ask for an autograph guys and the guy in the wheelchair they are part of the pool room and deserve to be there.
you can bet your ass the pros have more fun during it than at a convention center with shitty food and no place to go.
most pool players come from behind in the world and know they are not better than the guy watching them with ten bucks in his pocket and glad to have that. my hats off to them for being that way.
you can bet your ass the pros have more fun during it than at a convention center with shitty food and no place to go.
most pool players come from behind in the world and know they are not better than the guy watching them with ten bucks in his pocket and glad to have that. my hats off to them for being that way.
unfortunately not, that would have been better. template rack, alt break, i think 4.5" pockets.
8-ball at the pro level is definitely a joke. BnR, BnR, BnR, oops dry break so the other guy ran out, BnR, BnR...
Once Shane fell behind Lee Vann 5-3 everyone knew it was over because the only way Shane could come back would be if Lee Vann made a mistake. But, everyone broke and ran on cue and the match ended as expected 8-6.
I don't know if winner break is the answer since then we'd have more 8-0 sets where someone never got to the table. But as played, it isn't fun. There's no drama or excitement. The rack is basically decided by the break.
I agree the stream is awesome. Collins and Molina Mike work so well with each other and bringing in Albin, Wiktor and SVB to the booth was great. Very nice to get some insight in what the pros are thinking.
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Thank you Mark Griffin. You didn’t have to set these events up to run posthumously but you did. 
winner break isn't the answer really, unless you make the races super long. tighter pockets not an option in commercial pool room. take what you make would make it slightly better.
but 8b is just one of the 4 disciplines, and the field is effing great (if they stay around). i imagine a great one pocket contest coming up! filler, chohan, svb, corey, alex, morra etc.