Us Bar Table Coverage??

This wouldn't be the first time this has happened to me. I've heard whining from the very best pool players and from the very worst. I just figure you are somewhere inbetween.

Mike Templeton said:
I'll tell you what Tom, I'll whine a little directly to your face next time I see you out.

Mike
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Tom In Cincy said:
This wouldn't be the first time this has happened to me. I've heard whining from the very best pool players and from the very worst. I just figure you are somewhere inbetween.
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At the risk of getting banned from what I think is a great site this is my last post on this subject. We will hash this out later, Tom.

And I'm probably on the low end of that list.

Mike
 
Poolplaya9 said:
As of very late last night, right before the tournament charts were taken down completely, the tournament bracket for the 10 ball portion had still not even been updated. That was over 24 hours after the event had ended. If somebody wanted to go to the chart to find out who won, they could not have found out. Then they took down the charts completely last night. Today the chart is back up and updated and you can finally go and see who won the 10 ball event two days ago on Wednesday. Not very responsive coverage.

The Action Report is an absolutely wonderful group providing a superb service, however, keeping people updated on the brackets is not what they concentrate on or specialize in. They are concerned with showing and updating people on a relatively few marquis match-ups. They are not much help if you want to follow along on how a certain person is doing, or see how your buddy ended up placing, or go back and see who knocked so and so into the losers bracket or who did so and so have to beat to get to their 4th place finish.

Also, only having a few pros in a bar table event does not mean that it is not major for a bar table event. No bar table event draws very many pros. This event is still one of, if not the largest bar table event, and draws the best, or near best overall talent and depth of field when compared to other bar table events. Yes, it pales in comparison to major big table events, but it is not fair to compare it to those events.

I think they could and should strive to provide better coverage. That being said, I appreciate all that they do and understand the hardships endured in putting on such an event and trying to keep everyone up to date. I am happy that we get any updates at all, as it is not something they get any real benefit out of providing for us. And , just like anything else, no matter what they do or how often they update it will not be good enough for some. If they started doing hourly updates, people would wish for real time live updates. Thank you to all tournament personnel and to The Action Report for all that you do respectively.
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That's strange. I was there last night and saw the complete charts posted for the Ten Ball, with all the scores and the payouts. Same for the 9-Ball charts. If they took them down it was after Midnite. They definitely were up from 6 PM until 12 AM.
 
I took them down at 11:00pm pacific. We needed to resolve the internet connection problem at the hotel. Now that we have a work around, updates should be timely. The tournament staff have been working their butts off trying to keep everyone happy. Unfortunately problems do crop up and you try to limit the damage to the least important part, in this case, the online brackets.
 
jay helfert said:
That's strange. I was there last night and saw the complete charts posted for the Ten Ball, with all the scores and the payouts. Same for the 9-Ball charts. If they took them down it was after Midnite. They definitely were up from 6 PM until 12 AM.
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Jay - do you mean 'there' physically as in Reno or 'there' virutally as you saw the charts posted on the internet site? I believe the original poster was speaking of the internet.
 
jay helfert said:
That's strange. I was there last night and saw the complete charts posted for the Ten Ball, with all the scores and the payouts. Same for the 9-Ball charts. If they took them down it was after Midnite. They definitely were up from 6 PM until 12 AM.
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I checked the 10 ball finals bracket C last night and the last few matches definitely still has not been updated. I cannot swear to the exact time, but it was somewhere around 11pm cst, maybe later. I might be off slightly, but not more than an hour or two at most. I was on the page when they removed the brackets an hour or two later. I did not bother to check the 9 ball brackets at all because I assumed they would not be very current since the 10 ball still had not been done. I do concede that they may have updated the 10 ball chart in the last couple of hours before they were removed.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
Thanks for the update Ric.

I kinda figured that was the issue, I've had that experience there at the Sands last Dec for the Reno Open. Updates were only once a day minimal and sometimes twice a day. AZ did a decent coverage.

I think there is an unrealistic expectation from the forum public about what constitutes decent coverage.

Compared to just a few years ago when it was only a few paragraphs on the front page and limited updates to the brackets.

Just goes to show, you can't please everyone all the time.
Someone is going to whine...
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Schulman - Schuman, does that really matter? Glad to hear that you are rubbing elbows with the powers to be, though. Fantastic. Too bad you have a different opinion of your colleague and the value of this tournament(s). I find that ironic.

And here is an idea - IF you want your tournament promoted & know that there was going to be an issue beforehand with the internet in Reno: bring a laptop with a W I R E L E S S C A R D. Seems simple to me - almost too simple. If you don't want your tournament promoted than don't worry about it at all. Doing something half-way will get people to ask why it wasn't done fully - even if it is free, as Tom pointed out. Not sure what the free has to do with it. My TV news is free too. But if I had to hear on Wednesday what the weather was going to be like the day before (Tuesday), then I would speak up as well.

TAR coverage has been great of this major tournament. Thanks guys. Shulman/Shuman is a great announcer- - I have said that many times in the chat on the TAR webcasts. I guess Tom from Cincy has not been logging into the webcasts, only logging into the forum.
 
I think that we have taken too much for granted from these web sites and should appreciate what they do for us.

Years ago the only way we could get any info was from magazine subscriptions and would have to wait a month or so for that.

If it wasn't for these forums I would not have know that there was a BB tournament taking place in Reno, and I am sure that I am not the only one.

Today we just expect everything to be on line ASAP.

Would I like to be able to see all of the brackets and players? Sure I would, but someone still has to take the time to process the data or write about it.

Years ago when I was involved in the local parks and rec programs the only way we got any coverage in the local rag was to call in the scores and submit a article. So maybe the lack of coverage is due to the promoters of this event.

In defense of the promoters is it their obligation that all of this info is immediately available to the public? I think that their obligation is to take care of the players and spectators that are present. The other stuff can be posted when the tournament is over.

But it would still be nice to have it all.
 
watchez said:
Jay - do you mean 'there' physically as in Reno or 'there' virutally as you saw the charts posted on the internet site? I believe the original poster was speaking of the internet.
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I'm here in Reno, acting like I still know how to play Pool.
I've fooled a couple of guys so far. :)
 
jay helfert said:
I'm here in Reno, acting like I still know how to play Pool.
I've fooled a couple of guys so far. :)
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Good luck trying to fake it.

I think the original poster was referring to the brackets that could be seen online.
 
watchez said:
Jay - do you mean 'there' physically as in Reno or 'there' virutally as you saw the charts posted on the internet site? I believe the original poster was speaking of the internet.
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I was in fact referring only to the online internet brackets which were posted as .pdf files on the play-bca website.
 
mike

Mike Templeton said:
Why do you keep saying "Free"? I pay a fee to this website and others to make them better so they can give me news of billiard happenings in the United States.

And just because something is free, doesn't mean that it can be bad (and I'm not talking about AZ, just things in general). If a site touts itself as a major billiards website giving up-to-date information on the pool world, it shoulD give updates on major tournaments that are going on. When there's a regional event by Viking, or Zuglan, or Shannon Daulton, the results are available the same day. I don't see why the same can't be done for the US Bar Table Championships.

And it's not just AZ. It's IP, and Billiards Digest, and all other pool websites. I think that there are things we don't know that are causing the poor coverage by the pool community, but that's just my opinion.

Mike
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you tell them mike , i am to mad tooo!!!!!
 
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