US Open 10 ball & 8 ball is Back!

I agree that it would be better on 9 footers, but at least these tournaments are back in some format.

Hopefully they can make the races relatively long so the best players end up winning because nearly anybody could win a race to 5 (like they do for the USBT 8 ball)
 
Just re-read it. Race to 9 seems somewhat fair for 8 ball. I think a race to 11 in 8 ball and 13 in 10 ball would be optimum
 
7 footers is BULLSHIT!!!!!

That's just usbtc redux...

If it's not on 9 footers it's ****ing gay
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Unbelievable!

Next think you know they're going to play professional basketball with 10' high rims on the same court the high-school kids play on...

And then there's the 250 million people of all ages that from 200 countries that play soccer... I hope they don't start playing the world cup on the same fields with the same goals that the masses play on....

We certainly don't want pool to deteriorate into what those so-called sports have become...
 
Unbelievable!

Next think you know they're going to play professional basketball with 10' high rims on the same court the high-school kids play on...

And then there's the 250 million people of all ages that from 200 countries that play soccer... I hope they don't start playing the world cup on the same fields with the same goals that the masses play on....

We certainly don't want pool to deteriorate into what those so-called sports have become...

Mike, are you saying you're in favor professional pool, especially for what would be considered a major championship, going to bar boxes?
 
It's still pool.

At least it gets shooters playing pool. I'm not a big fan of 7' tables and always joke they should have 12 & under written on them. But, when I watch a pro play on a 7' table I wish I could play like that. I find 9 ball easier to play on a 7' table and 8 ball harder. A friend of mine in Michigan plays in a league and a few tournaments every year. Almost all of it is short races on 7' tables. He said it is brutal. Good for CSI for putting on another event. A bunch of good players shooting pool is a good thing. It will be above board and the players will get paid in a timely manner. So 3 cheers for CSI!
 
Like I said, it's the same as the PGA coming out and saying we want to appeal to the lesser golfers out there, so this year we're going to play the US Open on a 60 par course that is mostly par 3 holes...

It turns it into a joke. The only reason players will play is because they have no choice if they want to continue to be players.

Jaden

Pool is turning into MORE of a joke each year. Last year I went out to the BCAPL (vegas) for the 1st time in over 5 years thinking it was going to be played on 9 ft'rs. I shoulda done more research because it was a very big let down for me as I had made the trip from the east coast expecting what I remembered seeing years back.

There the only people allowed to get close to a 9ft were the spectators or the special "Qualified Invited Guest" to which I had to find a way to become one. So I did.... Thank you Joe Tucker for trying to keep the focus where it belongs with American Rotation. ... ie On the game....

This year (2015) my understanding is if it weren't for American Rotation playing the Series 6 finals there, there would be NO 9fter at the BCAPL (at the Rio) and they MAY (as in MIGHT) only have 2 to play on. If I find out that there will be no 9 footers to play the finals on (it part to the AmRo series requirements for pool rooms) I will NOT be an advocate for AmRo as well. I know this 'decision' is relatively out of Joe's control but as I've stated above we have standards and there are other places to spend our money...

I for one will not be playing any events on a 7 foot anything. Also winner break short race piss in 9-ball on a barbox isn't that attractive even as a "PRO-am" event. This game structure simply is not for professional quality events imo.

After Derby *(CSI event), and seeing what we (AmRo players) had to work with upstairs for only 15-16 players, it may be that AmRo payers this summer will have to go out (in Vegas... away from the RIO events) and 'contract out' a 9fter location for the AmRo finals just to have the National Finals event at the same time as the BCAPL. It would be 'related to' but not supported by the BCAPL event (or CSI) which I kinda figure is their ultimate future goal anyway. Ya know.. 'Dead weight on the payroll' kinda thing.


Jaden your right, it is the only game in town *(this year) but we do have a choice. Its up to the upper level players to stop supporting bad pool structure in all forms. Leave bar box games where they belongs in the BARS... and away from professional pool. "Where are the Standards", Earl might say.

So much for summer time Vegas pool events. Imo BCAPL event is now an Ameuture ONLy event (7 foot event) since thats were CSI have focused in on make all of their money. Pool can't move forward "GLOBALLY" like this...

Randy
 
Mike, are you saying you're in favor professional pool, especially for what would be considered a major championship, going to bar boxes?

I think the phrases "bar box," and "bar table" are unfortunate. They're a vestige of tavern pool...

What I think is broken in professional pool more than anything having to do with the table size is the role of the break. It is silly to undermine the deep, nuanced wide-ranging skills that the world's top players have developed by such a ridiculous game-starting shot. It's like having a competition amongst the world's top poets, where they are locked in rooms manipulating the world's languages in the most amazing ways... and then making spelling count.

I think it's fine to have major championship tournaments on 7' tables. It is clear from our ratings analyses, which we will have more to say about soon, that the same players rise to the top when those players play on different equipment.
 
Like I said, it's the same as the PGA coming out and saying we want to appeal to the lesser golfers out there, so this year we're going to play the US Open on a 60 par course that is mostly par 3 holes...

It turns it into a joke. The only reason players will play is because they have no choice if they want to continue to be players.

Jaden

So, bar table players are lesser players in your opinion?
 
I will say this! Last bar box event with bigtruck had a 9 or 11 pack by rob saez on 7ft tables race to 13!

Format,length and etc are critical to a good merit based outcome!

Kd
 
They should just bring in Pin Ball machines, as that would take the break out of it all together, and the league
bangers would really like that because then they would be on an even footing with the Pros. What a great idea !!! :D

As per a dollar per square foot basis at the RIO the ROI would be 4X's the ROI on the 7 fters. Here the tables rotate as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0TZsENB4Xg

'..Fade THIS' thread
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=386875&highlight=fade+this
 
Unbelievable!

Next think you know they're going to play professional basketball with 10' high rims on the same court the high-school kids play on...

And then there's the 250 million people of all ages that from 200 countries that play soccer... I hope they don't start playing the world cup on the same fields with the same goals that the masses play on....

We certainly don't want pool to deteriorate into what those so-called sports have become...

You completely missed the point, and sorry to say, but your analogy is poor.

The NBA doesn't play on 10' rims because high school basketball teams do. High school basketball teams play on 10' rims to prepare those good enough for college and/or the NBA.

Perhaps if this country had a league that actually allowed people to progress to a professional tour (also non-existent), then those leagues would be playing on the big tables. With the amount of great players across the globe, having them play on a small table with buckets does absolutely no good for the sport.

There are a lot of reasons that snooker is huge and viewed by millions. None of which are that it's easy. Making conditions easier for the players is not how you showcase the difficulties of this great game, and it's certainly not how you progress.

- Jon
 
Yeah I read that it was going to be played on 7'ers and was just like

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You completely missed the point, and sorry to say, but your analogy is poor.

The NBA doesn't play on 10' rims because high school basketball teams do. High school basketball teams play on 10' rims to prepare those good enough for college and/or the NBA.

I think we perhaps agree more than disagree. The main point is that high-school and professional basketball is played on the same equipment, and that is desirable for pool as well.

What makes the difficulty of the equipment not matter so much in basketball and soccer is that the quality of the defense rises with the quality of the offense.

This distinguishes those games from golf or bowling, which are offense-only activities.



Perhaps if this country had a league that actually allowed people to progress to a professional tour (also non-existent), then those leagues would be playing on the big tables. With the amount of great players across the globe, having them play on a small table with buckets does absolutely no good for the sport.

Again, we agree it is desirable for the leagues and the pros to play on the same equipment. I like 9' tables, and major events in much of the rest of the world use them. For these reasons events on 9' tables are good. But 7' tables are so much more practical. You can fit more in a given space. You can cart them around more easily. There can be more opportunity for leagues and tournaments.

For this reason I prefer to see us legitimize both 7' and 9' tables. I think that's a smart decision for pool.

Pool as we frequently play it is kind of a mixture of an offense-only activity and an offense/defense mixture. And that is why we keep wanting to tighten the pockets and lengthen the table. We are treating it like an offense-only activity. We think we have to narrow the fairways and thicken the rough and put in more water hazards.

But we don't. That's not the right direction. It is fine to play on 7' tables. But I think we need to modify the games slightly to make it more like basketball, or more like baseball where better batters are offset by better pitchers, or football where better receivers are offset by better defenders, and so forth.

How can we do that for rotation games and 8-ball games on a 7' table? How can we make the games fun to watch and not too easy?

Like this:

Rotation games

Mandatory roll out after the break.

8-Ball

The player at the table after the break may choose to SHOOT or to NOT SHOOT. If he chooses to SHOOT, his opponent tells him whether he's stripes or solids. If he chooses to NOT SHOOT, he assigns striped or solids to his opponent.

All rotation games on all tables should be played with a mandatory roll out. This will lead to INTERESTING games even for top pros playing 9-ball on a 7' table. This would not, as some people think, lead to automatic safety games because nobody is going to roll out to someplace his opponent can play a lockup safety. The first player is going to roll out to a hard offensive shot or a hard safety--maybe tying up a ball along the way. This roll out strategy would be a far more nuanced and interesting skill that the stupid break shot. And it would make EVERY game have drama, even on a 7' table.
 
Unbelievable!

Next think you know they're going to play professional basketball with 10' high rims on the same court the high-school kids play on...

And then there's the 250 million people of all ages that from 200 countries that play soccer... I hope they don't start playing the world cup on the same fields with the same goals that the masses play on....

We certainly don't want pool to deteriorate into what those so-called sports have become...

NBA 3 point line is way further back than HS, and college is further back than HS also.

Pro soccer fields are much bigger, also.
Anway I play 7fters because they are in bars or the state APA championships are on them. 9FTERS ARE WHERE ITS AT.
 
Im certainly not the least interested in watching it. Next year Bumper Pool will be added i have heard!
 
Wow. I glanced at the article and just assumed it was on the 9ft table and was very excited. What a let down.
 
I think we are all missing the issue.

Would you rather A) have big open events on 7 ft tables or B) no events at all?
 
I'll take no events over a bunch of bar box events...

I think we are all missing the issue.

Would you rather A) have big open events on 7 ft tables or B) no events at all?

I'll take no events over a bunch of bar table events..

The reason is simple... If you really think that having top players play on bar boxes shows the elite level of pool, then there doesn't need to be an elite level of pool.

**** we start going the right direction with the big foot challenge and we see who the best really is even under tougher conditions and then we go BACKWARDS????

I just don't get it and I'm positive that there are a lot more people out there scratching their heads or saying WTF???? that just aren't speaking up.

Jaden
 
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