US Open, should we support it?

I've seen that scam before too. Just give someone free money in this case call in entry fees, so someone else can put a down payment on a room and get some equipment and put out some ads to make sure booths cover additional expenses. All the players and booth renters put up capital and somebody else worries about making it profitable. And then they skim off the top when things go well and take the losses when things go bad.

When people rent out rooms or equipment do they put a down payment? In my experience a down payment is required or at least proof of income. But since prize money and a tournament is different then buying a bingo ticket, it shouldn't matter if the prize money is there or not. Lots of people work for free, they are called volunteers. Some people even get free stuff and then they are not allowed back into the store for not paying.

It is like buying stuff on layaway.

Wanting organizers to be as progressive as pool players is unreasonable. People with money are just that people with money, it is a talent and skill. Having money is not as easy as shooting pool. They have to plan out events, and organize documents it takes work. Asking them do to things differently is like changing the tournament format at the last minute.

It takes a strong person to sit on cash and not blow it on something stupid. So far nobody has run off with the cash, so they got credit.
 
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justnum said:
I've seen that scam before too. Just give someone free money in this case call in entry fees, so someone else can put a down payment on a room and get some equipment and put out some ads to make sure booths cover additional expenses. All the players and booth renters put up capital and somebody else worries about making it profitable. And then they skim off the top when things go well and take the losses when things go bad.

When people rent out rooms or equipment do they put a down payment? In my experience a down payment is required or at least proof of income. But since prize money and a tournament is different then buying a bingo ticket, it shouldn't matter if the prize money is there or not. Lots of people work for free, they are called volunteers. Some people even get free stuff and then they are not allowed back into the store for not paying.

It is like buying stuff on layaway.

Wanting organizers to be as progressive as pool players is unreasonable. People with money are just that people with money, it is a talent and skill. Having money is not as easy as shooting pool. They have to plan out events, and organize documents it takes work. Asking them do to things differently is like changing the tournament format at the last minute.

It takes a strong person to sit on cash and not blow it on something stupid. So far nobody has run off with the cash, so they got credit.
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what?????????
 
cleary said:
what?????????
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Give me $200 and I can guarantee you will have a chance to win at least $2000. If you send me money within the hour you need only send $100 to have a chance to win at least $2000.

Send the money otherwise you lose out.

Don't you want a chance to win easy money.

If you send before the end of the week you can get a free button and pin promoting next years lottery.
 
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justnum said:
Give me $200 and I can guarantee you will have a chance to win at least $2000. If you send me money within the hour you need only send $100 to have a chance to win at least $2000.

Send the money otherwise you lose out.

Don't you want a chance to win easy money.

If you send before the end of the week you can get a free button and pin promoting next years lottery.
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If I send you the $100 can you send me the drugs you are on? They seem very well worth $100.
 
cleary said:
If I send you the $100 can you send me the drugs you are on? They seem very well worth $100.
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Just send the money and I will give you a chance to win at least $2000. It is too late to send $100, the fee is now $200.

I am just doing this to help you make money, I am using my skills and talents to help you. That is what this is all about. If you don't want the help, don't take it.

As for the drugs, get your mind on something else because most drugs are based on loose science experiments with even worse quality control testing. Take a chance at holistic medicines.

Where else are you going to find a chance to turn $200 into $2000? Answer me that.
 
The Chipsta said:
WIFM....What's in it for ME.

That is the attitude of so many pool players out there when they should be thankful when anyone steps up to offer them a way to win some prize money. I do realize that the US Open requires a financial commitment to cover the entry fee, travel, and hotel stay. That being said, when someone is putting up tens of thousands in added money, how can you threaten to boycott the event when the funds don't add up to cover the added money. This is the longest running, most successful, and best spectator friendly tournament in the USA.

Maybe you can promote some great tournaments and risk your money... only to have the same people you trying to help, complain as though they are entitled to something. And then complain some more while you are losing money.
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I dunno...your point really comments on the legitimacy of choosing tournaments for income, but the OP is more along the lines of a specific event which may/ may not live up to its end of the agreement...for that specific event and entrants.

I am not saying that if you choose to fish for a living you aren't gonna get on a boat, rather that a fisherman doesn't expect to pull up a net of boots.
 
justnum said:
Just send the money and I will give you a chance to win at least $2000. It is too late to send $100, the fee is now $200.

I am just doing this to help you make money, I am using my skills and talents to help you. That is what this is all about. If you don't want the help, don't take it.

As for the drugs, get your mind on something else because most drugs are based on loose science experiments with even worse quality control testing. Take a chance at holistic medicines.

Where else are you going to find a chance to turn $200 into $2000? Answer me that.
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Sooooo, about the drugs. You gonna ship fedex or....

I'll just wait til you come back to Earth to ship em.
 
cleary said:
Sooooo, about the drugs. You gonna ship fedex or....

I'll just wait til you come back to Earth to ship em.
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I am not a doctor.

I am willing to help you make some money.

All you have to do is send me money and I will send you money if you win the lottery.

Why are having such a hard time making the investment?

If you don't have the money, ask someone for it.
 
cbi1000 said:
Let me first start by saying i may or may not have all the facts, so if anyone can chime in that would be great.

It's my understanding that the players didn't get paid for several months after the tournament.

And isn't also true that has not been the first time this has happened?

If so,

At what point do we as fans stick up for the players and also demand the prize money be posted before the tournament starts?

Just a question, looking for opinions.
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How about this? Can we buy tickets for reserved seating and pay for it in December? Fair is fair right.
 
The Chipsta said:
WIFM....What's in it for ME.

That is the attitude of so many pool players out there when they should be thankful when anyone steps up to offer them a way to win some prize money. I do realize that the US Open requires a financial commitment to cover the entry fee, travel, and hotel stay. That being said, when someone is putting up tens of thousands in added money, how can you threaten to boycott the event when the funds don't add up to cover the added money. This is the longest running, most successful, and best spectator friendly tournament in the USA.

Maybe you can promote some great tournaments and risk your money... only to have the same people you trying to help, complain as though they are entitled to something. And then complain some more while you are losing money.
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Let me know if the top pros boycott this tournament. If so me and my $500 entry will be there:wink:.
 
RBC said:
So, how many times have you gone to the US Open 9 ball tourney?

I mean, if you're going to boycott it, then what does that mean. How will that encourage the promoter to do better? The fans that go to the US Open 9 ball tournament are mostly local and will go there every year because it's a great time and a great event. They have fun and it's good entertainment that's worth what they pay to see it.

Now, the question is whether the players should boycott the event, and all I can say is that's up to them. I don't get to decide if they should go or not, they do.

So, although I understand you're frustration and desire to do something that you think could make a difference, I don't think this is it. If you want to make a difference then you should patronize those that do it right and not worry about those that you think are doing it wrong. There are plenty of events that are very positive for both fans and players. Focus on those and post some good threads to support them.

Thanks
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Royce,

What have i done, I buy products from companies who sponsor the event. I pay for online viewing. It may not be a lot, but it's something.

So not watching, not paying for these things can send a message.

As well as post like this get others to think about possibly boycotting events if promoters don't get their crap together.
 
cleary said:
Post dated checks should not be an issue. Pool players need money management skills. Im a professional in my own field. When I finish a job, be it one day for 2 months, I send an invoice and wait. Most pay within 30 days but some got 90-120 days. I would rather have the money asap, but I can live with people being late. It's larger chuncks of money so u understand why. Am I gonna fire a client because they pay me 3 months late, nope. I can't wait to work for them again. Cause they paid!!!!

At the same time professional ball players get contracts for huge amounts. Must be nice! But they don't get the full sum at once. They get pay checks. It's broken up over the courses of that contract duration of the contract.

When people are willing to get you money, take what you can get and get more when you can. The players earned that money and they should get it. But don't burn a bridge trying to get it and ruin future money.
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I disagree with you 100%. You doing work and sending a invoice is not even close to this subject. We are talking about sporting events, not construction.

As for professional ball players getting pay checks, that is written into their contracts. And guess what, they get their checks on time and after they play.

Lets look at other events that pay out purse payments like golf and tennis. They get paid at the end of the events. Can you imagine what those players would do if there was no money at the end of the event? They might let is slide once, but after that it would be hell to pay. Then again golf and tennis players all work together to bring their sports to the highest level possible....
 
cbi1000 said:
Let me first start by saying i may or may not have all the facts, so if anyone can chime in that would be great.

It's my understanding that the players didn't get paid for several months after the tournament.

And isn't also true that has not been the first time this has happened?

If so,

At what point do we as fans stick up for the players and also demand the prize money be posted before the tournament starts?

Just a question, looking for opinions.
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To my knowledge no one has ever not been paid. Being a little late with a payments has happened but in a venture like that things happen. I don't think any big sponsors underwrite the tournament Barry does it out of his pocket and always make good.
Before you start talking about a boycott you have to ask, "What it the intent in such an action"? About all that would happen would be the undoing of the tournament and who would that benefit? I will tell you who, Barry, because he would be out from under something that at best is an headache that he could do without.
What is the old saying "No good deed goes unpunished". I honestly have no idea why Barry does it every year.
 
cbi1000 said:
So what if some of the players boycott the US Open, then should us fans boycott to show support.

At some point the promoters need to know that you must have the cash. I think if the players know the cash is there on hand we might even see bigger tournaments. Yeah?
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You use the term " promoters ". Who are all these promoters you are trying to send a message to? There are no promoters, just a few guys who like pool and run tournaments mostly at a loss. You think there is some big criminal enterprise out there running pool tournaments and exploiting the players and fans making huge sums of money? Get real, I have run dozens of tournaments and the goal usually was to break even if you could and if I made any money that was a bonus. Do you think Barry is late paying sometimes because he has skimmed off all the profits and is trying to screw the players? He is late because after running this first class tournament and working his a$$ off there is no real profit. He ends up making up the short fall out of his pocket. Like Barry or hate Barry, he doesn't owe the pool world anything. If it was me, I would have folded the tournament years ago, who needs it.
 
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cbi1000 said:
I disagree with you 100%. You doing work and sending a invoice is not even close to this subject. We are talking about sporting events, not construction.

As for professional ball players getting pay checks, that is written into their contracts. And guess what, they get their checks on time and after they play.

Lets look at other events that pay out purse payments like golf and tennis. They get paid at the end of the events. Can you imagine what those players would do if there was no money at the end of the event? They might let is slide once, but after that it would be hell to pay. Then again golf and tennis players all work together to bring their sports to the highest level possible....
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You are not right about that. I have a friend who is an accountant for some golf and tennis players. It is common to wait up to months for payments as sponsors make good to the promoter. He told me at the end of the year they may have hundreds of thousands in accounts receivables they are waiting for. Many who play on small satellite tours sometimes never get it all.
 
cleary said:
You just told me to borrow money for it! MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!!!!
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You should consider making investments elsewhere.

Your no longer eligible for investments with my organization.
 
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