Valley vs Diamond Bar Box 8-Ball
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And anything goes !!
Not the pocket openings on a Valley, sorry...4 1/2" corners and tighter sides
Thank you for clarifying this, Glen. I've seen several peoplemremark on this forum that Valleys have large side pockets, which just isn't true. One thing I love about going from a BB to a 9' table is the option of easier side pocket shots.
more like a cute chick..
A diamond 7 footer is like a cute chick with a good body...
A diamond blue label 9 footer is like a hot chick in a bikini...
A 10 foot diamond blue label is a super model...
Jaden
A diamond 7 footer is like a cute chick with a good body...
A diamond blue label 9 footer is like a hot chick in a bikini...
A 10 foot diamond blue label is a super model...
Jaden
as far as your last comment, business is business, it was Valley for so long and a better mousetrap came along. The better players always prefer tougher equipment to take the Luck factor out of the game.
The biggest difference is the plethora of cue balls that can be used in a Valley, and with a valley ''I nick named em ravines yrs ago
'' you can play shape for the half pocket shots to the corner pockets, with the Diamonds your run out patterns will be drastically different by not shooting into the ravines. I also liked the way the Irving K tables played in their heyday, tight like diamonds.
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Any idea who "Shane from Arkansas" is?
Possibly Shane Jones?
How well did this guy play and where did he finish in the tourney?
To me there is absolutely no comparison. Diamond can't be beat. A great valley is still only a valley. To me it's easier to make balls on the Diamond because you can trust the table. Also, you don't have to adjust your stroke as much..you don't have to kill a ball just to get it to go where you want to..just a nice, fluid stroke will get you where you want to be...and that's how it SHOULD be, period! Also, you're playing with Aramith balls and probably a red circle armaith cue ball...You won't be so fortunate on a valley unless they've opened the thing up and they've provided these balls and this still won't change the inconsistency of the valley rails, pockets, etc...I hate Valley. Playing pool on a Diamond is just much more inspiring to me. So it's a combination of equipment and feeling for me.
Valley has never offered pocket sizes by request, their tables are just not designed that way...and I'm going back 30 years because that's how long I've been working on them. If the rails have been changed and replaced with some custom rails, they do not represent the Valley table as original equipment and who knows what someone else has done with the rails in the past, but the factory rails have all had the same pocket size ever since I started working on them in 1983.
I totally disagree with this. Diamond tables are much easier to play on because of the fast rails. You don't need near the ball speed and stroke to get around on them. The harder you hit the cue ball the harder it is to pocket a ball and maintain shape. A lot of players like Diamonds simply because they play better on them not because they are a better table.
valley vs diamond
No comparison two completely different tables.
Diamond is the much better table and its not even close!
You can go to VNEA and play in the 9 ball event with fresh aramith balls and the aramith valley cueball, and the tables play okay. But by the end of lets say 8 ball singles, the cue ball has so many nicks in it that it doesn't roll straight. and the table begins to fall apart as in becoming unlevel rolls very funny rails are dead. And by the end of 8ball teams forget about slow rolling a ball, you just better fire it in there my friend.
Diamond over valley anyday. I would guess in the next 10 years valley tables won't even be in pool halls.
No comparison two completely different tables.
Diamond is the much better table and its not even close!
You can go to VNEA and play in the 9 ball event with fresh aramith balls and the aramith valley cueball, and the tables play okay. But by the end of lets say 8 ball singles, the cue ball has so many nicks in it that it doesn't roll straight. and the table begins to fall apart as in becoming unlevel rolls very funny rails are dead. And by the end of 8ball teams forget about slow rolling a ball, you just better fire it in there my friend.
Diamond over valley anyday. I would guess in the next 10 years valley tables won't even be in pool halls.
Advantage to Shane! He can simply turn off his hearing aid! :grin:
Ditto :thumbup:
Makes me wonder if he'd comment, if he scored :thumbup:
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As long as the table plays as it SHOULD, i don't really care about the name brand. In my experience a bar that has Diamond tables generally take better care of them. Valley tables are normally leased and maintained by the lessor which tends to be sketchy at best. As with most other things, the better the pool room, the better the equipment.
All that said, I prefer to play on a Diamond 9' with tight pockets.
All that said, I prefer to play on a Diamond 9' with tight pockets.
If you take a used Valley and put Ridgeback rails on it making 4 1/4" corner pockets, tighten the 8 bolts (2 each corner), put good cloth on it, and good balls, you have a lot better Valley than most of them. That said, the Diamond is a more solid table that holds its price right now. The Valley used and the work above put into it cost about $700 for good used 7' Valley and $400 for the work above=$1100. Diamonds are about 4k tournament used I believe. You can check prices on the Diamond website. Johnnyt
