Value of a 25yo Joss Original?

Iowa Mike

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I play pool with a group of retired and older gentlemen at my pool hall. One of the guys that comes in every few weeks has a "Joss Original" cue. He told me that it was purchased before the "split." I don't know Joss history but it is over 25 years old and from what I have been told pre-dates Joss West. Anyhow, I have included some pictures and he was interested in its value. He does not use the internet so I am asking for him.
I do not know any of the specs of the cue such as weight etc. It does have a few dings and scrapes, however they are very small and a refinish would fix it all.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

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That is an 80's joss , after the split. The old joss's have the logo etched in the buttcap. Beautiful cues...

Mike
 
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So he is mistaken about how long he has had it. Understandable. Thanks.

Was this a custom or mass produced cue? It looks more like a mass produced cue.
 
I had a question about an older joss and called joss. I emailed them a couple of pics and a lady called me and gave me a lot of info about the cue. You could try that route.
 
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I was referring to "before the split." He specifically thought it was made before this happened. Whatever "split" means. Guessing there were 2 and they went their separate ways.
 
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To the right person, that cue with one shaft will fetch about 1000. It is one of the midrange cues Dan Made, that is definitely a Dan Janes cue, about 800 new, substantially less wholesale though. The older Joss cues Are generally worth today what the retail was back in thee day IF the cue is in excellent shape - which yours appears to be in. Im STILL looking for a steal on an old n-19....
 
dirks said:
I had a question about an older joss and called joss. I emailed them a couple of pics and a lady called me and gave me a lot of info about the cue. You could try that route.

True. However, all I have are pictures and no model or build date. Also I find that there is a large concentration of accumulated knowledge here which will satisfy my inquiry just fine I'm sure.

EDIT: Ah, I see that you mailed them pics and they were able to help.
 
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Can anyone recount the actual Joss history. I google'd Joss history and got nothing but links to buy Joss cues.
 
the split means when Dan Janes and Bill Stroud worked together.. when they split Bill went west and started Joss West cues..

there was also a short time when Dan and Tim Scruggs were working together also..

chris
 
At first, I thought it to be a J-11, but the butt is slightly different.

Joe
 
blue book

Blue Book Entry on Joss....
Based on this, your cue is a "post-split" as it dates from the 80's, although it's still 25 years old....
"Dan Janes was running one of the top pool halls in Baltimore, Maryland in the mid-1960s. When road players came to Baltimore, he was the man to see to set up games. One of these road players was Bill Stroud. The two became friends, and before long, the two were on the road together. They spent three years traveling the country during warm weather seasons playing pool and selling cues. They found that good cues were very easy to sell, but very hard to come by. They believed that George Balabushka made the best playing cues, and he could not make them fast enough to keep up with the demand. Dan and Bill knew that there was an open market for great playing cues, and as players, they thought they were best suited to make them.
Tired of life on the road, in 1968, Dan and Bill set up shop in a two-car garage in Baltimore, Maryland. The two visited George Balabushka to try to learn how he was making cues, but he would not tell or show them anything, so they visited a few cuemakers in Chicago to learn some basics. With a manual lathe, a butcher shop band saw, a drill press, and a work bench, they set out to make cues that were better than what they had previously been playing with.
Although the first cue they made ended up in the trash, they sold the second one at a profit. Soon they were hand engraving the word "Joss" on the Delrin butt caps of the cues. The first one was for Ronnie Allen. They chose the word Joss from an oriental term that loosely translates to luck. It can mean good or bad fortune, depending on the individual.
Since their road experience introduced them to the best players in the country, they had a large market for cues. Soon these players were using Joss cues, and they quickly became known as one of the most popular player?s cues of that time. Early Joss cues from that time period have become very desirable to collectors. They will have a very distinctive hand-carved Joss logo on Delrin or Implex butt caps, and will usually have a 5/16 in. joint screw, although they experimented with several other screws, settling on the 5/16 in. very late in their partnership.
The two worked together until 1972, when Dan bought out Bill?s end of the company, and Bill began making his own cues under the name Joss West in Aspen, Colorado. Right after Bill left, Dan sent out pictures of his cues to all past Joss customers. The result was more orders than he could handle by himself. So, he called his friend, Tim Scruggs, who had worked for three months at Joss around 1970, and offered him a permanent full-time position. Immediately, they began filling the new orders."
 
Brilliant. Thanks! Much appreciated.
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saddlebow said:
Blue Book Entry on Joss....
Based on this, your cue is a "post-split" as it dates from the 80's, although it's still 25 years old....
"Dan Janes was running one of the top pool halls in Baltimore, Maryland in the mid-1960s. When road players came to Baltimore, he was the man to see to set up games. One of these road players was Bill Stroud. The two became friends, and before long, the two were on the road together. They spent three years traveling the country during warm weather seasons playing pool and selling cues. They found that good cues were very easy to sell, but very hard to come by. They believed that George Balabushka made the best playing cues, and he could not make them fast enough to keep up with the demand. Dan and Bill knew that there was an open market for great playing cues, and as players, they thought they were best suited to make them.
Tired of life on the road, in 1968, Dan and Bill set up shop in a two-car garage in Baltimore, Maryland. The two visited George Balabushka to try to learn how he was making cues, but he would not tell or show them anything, so they visited a few cuemakers in Chicago to learn some basics. With a manual lathe, a butcher shop band saw, a drill press, and a work bench, they set out to make cues that were better than what they had previously been playing with.
Although the first cue they made ended up in the trash, they sold the second one at a profit. Soon they were hand engraving the word "Joss" on the Delrin butt caps of the cues. The first one was for Ronnie Allen. They chose the word Joss from an oriental term that loosely translates to luck. It can mean good or bad fortune, depending on the individual.
Since their road experience introduced them to the best players in the country, they had a large market for cues. Soon these players were using Joss cues, and they quickly became known as one of the most popular player?s cues of that time. Early Joss cues from that time period have become very desirable to collectors. They will have a very distinctive hand-carved Joss logo on Delrin or Implex butt caps, and will usually have a 5/16 in. joint screw, although they experimented with several other screws, settling on the 5/16 in. very late in their partnership.
The two worked together until 1972, when Dan bought out Bill?s end of the company, and Bill began making his own cues under the name Joss West in Aspen, Colorado. Right after Bill left, Dan sent out pictures of his cues to all past Joss customers. The result was more orders than he could handle by himself. So, he called his friend, Tim Scruggs, who had worked for three months at Joss around 1970, and offered him a permanent full-time position. Immediately, they began filling the new orders."
 
Iowa Mike said:
So he is mistaken about how long he has had it. Understandable. Thanks.

Was this a custom or mass produced cue? It looks more like a mass produced cue.


These cues say Custom, however, they were mass produced models. Still a very nice old cue, and 25 years as a date is right on target.
 
if i remember correctly bill and danny were together 68-72 tim was with danny from 73-78ish

also early 80's joss cues had dates joss 1983. lates ive seen that was 1986

i suspect this cue to be around 1988 or 1989
 
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I'm gonna go back to the original question. What is the current value of this cue. Everybody has opinions an mine is that a $1'000 is waaaaaay to high. I'm thinking in the 5 to 7 hundred range an again you must be in the right spot. I must say that I really do like the work in the butt sleeve on this cue. Imho these cues make great players an are worth every penny.
Pinocchio
 
eyesjr said:
To the right person, that cue with one shaft will fetch about 1000. It is one of the midrange cues Dan Made, that is definitely a Dan Janes cue, about 800 new, substantially less wholesale though. The older Joss cues Are generally worth today what the retail was back in thee day IF the cue is in excellent shape - which yours appears to be in. Im STILL looking for a steal on an old n-19....

this is correct info
 
Pinocchio said:
I'm gonna go back to the original question. What is the current value of this cue. Everybody has opinions an mine is that a $1'000 is waaaaaay to high. I'm thinking in the 5 to 7 hundred range an again you must be in the right spot. I must say that I really do like the work in the butt sleeve on this cue. Imho these cues make great players an are worth every penny.
Pinocchio

setting a date is key to the value IMO. so thats the first thing.

that being said i agree 1000$ is high.
 
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