VARNEY jump/break review - UPDATED

pharaoh68

Banned
For those of you who don't know the story, here's the short, short version.

I give Kevin sh!t all the time about the quality of his cues. He said to me 'Step up and try one. Then, write an honest review.'

I did. $200 later (discounted from $300), I picked up a Varney from Kevin and gave it a whirl. The initial response?

Aesthetics: Not good.
Play: Not bad.

Case closed. Right??? WRONG! Its now a month later and I have been using the cue off and on. Well, I have some updates for you concerning the quality of the cue. They are posted in the following thread.

http://www.insidepoolmag.com/forums/jimbo/2639-official-varney-jump-break-update.html

Sorry if I upset anyone by posting this (but not THAT sorry).
 
two words. seX Breaker. May richard get better soon.

This is good info though. Keep trying varney you'll get better with practice.
 
cubc said:
two words. seX Breaker. May richard get better soon.

This is good info though. Keep trying varney you'll get better with practice.

Thanks cub-

I'm sure there will be a tremendous onslaught of responses from people who think I am 'picking on' Kevin. At least one person recognizes the fact that this is NOTHING more than a review of a man's work. NOT a judgement on the man himself.

Except for Shorty. That little dingleberry can go wheel himself into traffic for all I care.
 
pharaoh68 said:
For those of you who don't know the story, here's the short, short version.

I give Kevin sh!t all the time about the quality of his cues. He said to me 'Step up and try one. Then, write an honest review.'

I did. $200 later (discounted from $300), I picked up a Varney from Kevin and gave it a whirl. The initial response?

Aesthetics: Not good.
Play: Not bad.

Case closed. Right??? WRONG! Its now a month later and I have been using the cue off and on. Well, I have some updates for you concerning the quality of the cue. They are posted in the following thread.

http://www.insidepoolmag.com/forums/jimbo/2639-official-varney-jump-break-update.html

Sorry if I upset anyone by posting this (but not THAT sorry).

Personal Vendetta... maybe ????
 
If you followed the threads from the beginning you wouldnt suggest personal vendetta. he did like the cue when he first got it although he did mention some concerns. Now that hes played with a little while some things have came to light that he felt he should share.

I think thats fair.
 
pharaoh68 said:
For those of you who don't know the story, here's the short, short version.

I give Kevin sh!t all the time about the quality of his cues. He said to me 'Step up and try one. Then, write an honest review.'

I did. $200 later (discounted from $300), I picked up a Varney from Kevin and gave it a whirl. The initial response?

Aesthetics: Not good.
Play: Not bad.

Case closed. Right??? WRONG! Its now a month later and I have been using the cue off and on. Well, I have some updates for you concerning the quality of the cue. They are posted in the following thread.

http://www.insidepoolmag.com/forums/jimbo/2639-official-varney-jump-break-update.html

Sorry if I upset anyone by posting this (but not THAT sorry).

BRIAN,
I'D LOVE TO SEE YOUR CUE IN PERSON....IF YOU SEE RONNIE P, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE HIM BRING IT DOWN TO MY PLACE? IF NOT I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST REALLY CURIOUS.

BOGEY REALLY LIKES HIS, I'D JUST LIKE TO COMPARE THE TWO IF POSSIBLE.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
BRIAN,
I'D LOVE TO SEE YOUR CUE IN PERSON....IF YOU SEE RONNIE P, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE HIM BRING IT DOWN TO MY PLACE? IF NOT I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST REALLY CURIOUS.

BOGEY REALLY LIKES HIS, I'D JUST LIKE TO COMPARE THE TWO IF POSSIBLE.

Happy to oblige, Marcus.

Again, I kinda like the way it breaks AND jumps. I was just surprised that the shaft is loosening up on me this early. And that the jump joint isn't 100% flush.

But if I see Ronnie, I'll fill him in on the details.
 
cubc said:
If you followed the threads from the beginning you wouldnt suggest personal vendetta. he did like the cue when he first got it although he did mention some concerns. Now that hes played with a little while some things have came to light that he felt he should share.

I think thats fair.

It doesn't sound like KV was given a chance to correct the problem before the Public Bashing ensued.
 
I've had mine for almost a year and have bumped it into the table many times. The finish didn't chip and the shaft didn't exactly attract dirt either. It's as smooth as my playing shaft, and that means glass. You got a lemon hah
 
pharaoh68 said:
Happy to oblige, Marcus.

Again, I kinda like the way it breaks AND jumps. I was just surprised that the shaft is loosening up on me this early. And that the jump joint isn't 100% flush.

But if I see Ronnie, I'll fill him in on the details.

THANKS BRIAN, LET ME KNOW IF HE GETS THE CUE FROM YOU.

DOES YOURS HAVE THE ROUNDED EDGES ON THE JOINTS? IF IT DOESN'T, YOUR ISSUES MAY BE THE REASON HE WENT TO THE ROUNDED JOINT EDGES.
 
Bigjohn said:
It doesn't sound like KV was given a chance to correct the problem before the Public Bashing ensued.

This is all I have to say on the subject...
- Before selling him the cue I offered him the option of a full refund, no questions asked, if he didn't like it.
-the cue was an older used one in PERFECT shape before he received it.
-he has been offered his full money back plus shipping at the other forum...and WON'T sell it.
-I would of fixed any issues, free of charge, had he only contacted me.
-If he's so unhappy...sell it....I'll fix any problems, FREE, for the new owner.:)
Well thats it in a nutshell. I guess out of the 100's of j/b's I've made, there had to be a bad one somewhere...sorry you got it Brian. I stand behind my work & I'll be happy to make it like new for the new owner.:)
KV
 
Bigjohn said:
It doesn't sound like KV was given a chance to correct the problem before the Public Bashing ensued.

NOTHING AGAINST KV, BUT HE KNEW BRIAN WAS GOING TO GO OVER THIS CUE WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS, SO HE KNEW IT HAD TO BE TOP NOTCH. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE SENT BACK FOR REPAIR..... IF I BOUGHT A CUE FROM A MAKER AND IT NEEDED TO GO BACK FOR REPAIR, WITHIN A SHORT TIME PERIOD, I WOULD BE VERY DISAPPOINTED, AND WOULD MOST LIKELY NOT DEAL WITH THAT CUE MAKER AGAIN.
 
I love the way no one wants to say negative stuff. My hat's off to pharoah for speaking his mind.

No, I haven't played with a Varney. And I wasn't going to, even before this review. He's just so danged prolific posting here, I'm always a little wary of products that need to be constantly advertised. I, like others, expect a cuemaker to back up his work, but I also EXPECT to not have to send it back.

ok, I'm flamebait now, lemme have it.

-s
 
There's no need to bash anyone from either side. We've been down that road before and it doesn't lead anywhere. Hopefully we can all do our best not to allow this thread to sink into a big pissing contest.

There are many that like the cues, and some that don't. That's life.

You all know I like the cues Kevin makes, but my opinions aside:

It was agreed upon for Brian's unbiased review.
After a month, Brian doesn't like the cue he bought.
There are several options on the table from Kevin.
There is an offer of a purchase to get his money back (For Brian).
It's up to Brian to decide what to do with the cue.

I also am sorry you don't like the cue Brian.

Regards,
Craig
 
Varney Cues said:
This is all I have to say on the subject...
- Before selling him the cue I offered him the option of a full refund, no questions asked, if he didn't like it.
-the cue was an older used one in PERFECT shape before he received it.
-he has been offered his full money back plus shipping at the other forum...and WON'T sell it.
-I would of fixed any issues, free of charge, had he only contacted me.
-If he's so unhappy...sell it....I'll fix any problems, FREE, for the new owner.:)
Well thats it in a nutshell. I guess out of the 100's of j/b's I've made, there had to be a bad one somewhere...sorry you got it Brian. I stand behind my work & I'll be happy to make it like new for the new owner.:)
KV

Kevin-
If you recall correctly, I DID like how the cue played. I still do like how it plays. My problem is that 30 - 45 days later, the cue is showing signs of poor construction that shouldn't be there. Your initial offer was that if, when I got the cue, I didn't like how it played, I could get a refund. But I did like how it played. I said so. I kept it. I played with it. And now, a month and half later, its decent play is still there. Its durability is questionable. Are you offering me a refund on that?!

As far as selling it goes, if I have these complaints, why would I sell it to someone else for the same price I bought it?! I'm not going to sell a cue to someone if I think its not worth the price they offered. Call me crazy, but I like to consider myself a man of SOME sort of moral fiber. I made an investment and, if I feel like it was a poor one, I live and I learn. Plain and simple.

And I appreciate that you would have fixed any issues free of charge. I do NOT question that. I'm sure you would have. And in a rather speedy turn-around time too. But my promise to you was to review the cue. And part of my review is that this cue does NOT hold up to the test of time. At 30 days, a FULLY REFURBISHED cue should not be showing these signs of wear and tear.


Kevin, my problem is not with you. This is not a rview of you as a person. If that's what you want, I'll give you that.


Kevin Varney is a man of his word. There is no doubt about that. He is a man of conviction who stands by the product he sells. For that, I respect him. He believes so firmly in his product that he offers discounts to those who are disbelievers. He offers refunds to those who are unsatisfied. He even offered all of this to his biggest critic. For that, hats off to him.

It just so happens that in this case, his biggest critic (myself) did NOT believe in his product the way KV did. And after trying it out for an extended period of time, his biggest critic feels that he was right.

No. I'm NOT going to sell the cue. I'll use it for a while longer as I DON'T feel comfortable selling something that I DON'T endorse to someone else. And again, the cue jumps and breaks well. No doubt about that. I just feel that a $300 jump/break cue should last a little longer than a month before these problems start to occur.

Again Kev - Nothing against YOU. This whole ordeal has given me a newfound respect for you as an individual. But it has also led me to believe that perhaps I was right and that your cues AREN'T for me. No harm in that.



**And for the record, after writing up a review of Jay's cue, remember that was positive. And my initial reaction to THIS cue was also positive. And keep in mind that I still say the cue plays well. Funny how everyone seems to overlook that in these threads. I guess this forum should be renamed from 'Cue Gallery' to the 'If you don't have anything nice to say your opinion ain't welcome here' forum.**
 
Try it

Pharaoh68,Anytime you want to try one of my cues just say the word.we need more people that are honest,it seems like a lot of people on this site say every cue that they buy is great,hey if my cue plays like CRAP and look like CRAP.........then it must be CRAP,so if that was the case,Then how could i fix,if nobody was telling me that,so if my cue needs to be fixed, Let me Know and i will Fix.I will never make a excuse for my crappy work...............i would just start over and Fix it,SO BEAT ME UP IF YOU CAN.............I WILL ONLY GET BETTER.
 
Bigjohn said:
It doesn't sound like KV was given a chance to correct the problem before the Public Bashing ensued.


I would think that with the past that KV and Brian have had together that Varney would have made sure that the cue was in pristine condition prior to sending it out to one of his biggest (if not the biggest) critics of his work. My hat is off to Brian because he did write an honest review of the cue when he first got it and updated the review later after some heavier use. I have seen the cue in person and it does seem to break very well. Brian was giving his honest opinion of the cue and not attacking the man himself.

As for the other side of the issue, I would expect KV to offer to fix any of the problems that have occurred since he does say that he backs up his work. I understand that this is probably out of the question now with this thread but nevertheless Brian still stands by the fact that he likes the way it breaks and jumps.
 
Wow, Brian - I guess I don't have any moral fiber since I sold the one I had in my possession... for all of 3 days. I did not play with it, so I cannot attest to that, but I can comment on the asthetics, which I did in your thread.

I guess I have the belief of "one man's trash is another man's treasure", which is why I sold it for what I did...

-Ross
low down dirty crook, and needs more fiber
 
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