VEPP online video clips

dr_dave said:
I propose that this thread now be about the VEPP video clips posted online (the original intent of the thread) and the full DVDs that people are now receiving and viewing.

Tell us what you think and whether or not you like the DVDs, and whether or not you would recommend them to others.

I look forward to your honest reviews.

Thanks,
Dave
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Dr. Dave: There is quite a bit of material there that would take a long time to watch let alone practice, so comprehensive reviews will be slow coming.

I watched about 40 minutes of video one today, while exercising. It will take me some time to get to the table but there are a few drills I want to incorporate into my practice immediately. There appeared to be some nice things on fundamentals, straight stroke and speed control that I can use right now.

I like the way it is presented in a nice logical order and the demonstration by Bob is very good, too.
 
dmgwalsh said:
Dr. Dave: There is quite a bit of material there that would take a long time to watch let alone practice, so comprehensive reviews will be slow coming.

I watched about 40 minutes of video one today, while exercising. It will take me some time to get to the table but there are a few drills I want to incorporate into my practice immediately. There appeared to be some nice things on fundamentals, straight stroke and speed control that I can use right now.

I like the way it is presented in a nice logical order and the demonstration by Bob is very good, too.
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Dennis,

Please let us know what you think after you've had time to view and practice with all of the discs.

The same goes for others who have the DVDs. Please report back with your honest reviews. For people who also own the VEPS series, we'd also like to hear which you think is more useful to your game, and why.

FYI, have you checked out the "How to Use VEPP" document on the VEPP resources page? You and others might find it helpful.

Regards,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Tell us what you think and whether or not you like the DVDs, and whether or not you would recommend them to others.

I look forward to your honest reviews.
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Anybody have a chance to view and work with VEPP yet? If so, please share your reviews, comments, questions, and/or suggestions. Bob and I would like to get some honest feedback, opinions, and evaluations.

Thanks a bunch,
Dave
 
It takes forever for stuff to get here these days and it's just a little north of you guys. Will do a review for sure.
 
Wolven said:
It takes forever for stuff to get here these days and it's just a little north of you guys. Will do a review for sure.
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Thank you ... and sorry for the delay. Sometimes customs delays stuff a ridiculous amount of time. I look forward to reading your feedback ... positive or negative.

Regards,
Dave
 
I ordered the set quite awhile ago, but they didn't ship until about 2 weeks after I ordered them. Apparently my order was for a "pre-order". I didn't recall seeing the words "pre-order" anywhere when I placed the order, but I suppose I could have missed it. In any event I did finally get the DVDs, and I have watched the first three. So far, I think they are pretty good, but not what I would call great. Dr. Dave's voice-overs remind me of the voice-overs on a film shown in a high school biology class. Not exactly riveting. However, seeing Bob go though each of the drills is helpful.

I've only ran a rack a couple of times in my entire life, and most of my runs are only around 3 balls. So, my plan is to start using the DVDs to practice and then post back here to let people know if practicing drills will help improve your game, and if so, by how much. The plan is to start right after the holidays.
 
Daithi said:
I ordered the set quite awhile ago, but they didn't ship until about 2 weeks after I ordered them. Apparently my order was for a "pre-order". I didn't recall seeing the words "pre-order" anywhere when I placed the order, but I suppose I could have missed it.
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Sorry for the confusion and delay. There was big, red text at the top of the online ordering page indicating that pre-orders were being accepted, and that the DVDs wouldn't ship until Friday, December 9. You should have also received a confirmation e-mail thanking you for the pre-order and letting you know when the DVDs would ship. I'm sorry if you did not receive this. The DVDs actually shipped 1-2 days ahead of schedule.

Daithi said:
In any event I did finally get the DVDs, and I have watched the first three. So far, I think they are pretty good, but not what I would call great.
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Thank you for the honest feedback. Do you also have VEPS? If so, did you like VEPS better? Some people seem to only like DVDs like the VEPS series that present lots of information and demonstrate how to apply the information. VEPP is more about drills and and a training program to help you develop the skills necessary to do all of the stuff in VEPS.

Bob and I are curious to hear what others think. Some people have shared there thoughts with me in person and by e-mail. Some like VEPS much better, and others think their games will actually benefit more with VEPP. Again, VEPS is about information and knowledge, and VEPP is more about how to develop skills.

Daithi said:
Dr. Dave's voice-overs remind me of the voice-overs on a film shown in a high school biology class. Not exactly riveting. However, seeing Bob go though each of the drills is helpful.
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Some people like my narrations because they are concise, clear, and to the point. And like you, some people find the voice a little too "relaxing." Again, thank you for your honesty.

Daithi said:
I've only ran a rack a couple of times in my entire life, and most of my runs are only around 3 balls. So, my plan is to start using the DVDs to practice and then post back here to let people know if practicing drills will help improve your game, and if so, by how much. The plan is to start right after the holidays.
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You might also consider working with an experienced and knowledgeable instructor. The DVDs can't spot flaws in your technique and help you make changes to your fundamentals. It sounds like you are dedicated to practicing, which is a good thing. I hope VEPP will help you develop faster than you would have otherwise. If you practice all of the drills in VEPP (especially the ones that give you trouble), I am confident your game will improve. Again, VEPP isn't just for watching, its for practicing.

Thanks again for your comments,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Anybody have a chance to view and work with VEPP yet? If so, please share your reviews, comments, questions, and/or suggestions. Bob and I would like to get some honest feedback, opinions, and evaluations.

Thanks a bunch,
Dave
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Last bump for some reviews and feedback ... positive or negative.

Regards,
Dave
 
My good Dr. Dave,

I have watched one time through each disc. I must say you produce some of the most consistent products out there, and very thorough. As others have mentioned, there is so much information and drills that it would take a long time to actually go through everything and report on whether or not each drill is helpful. I suspect some will be more helpful than others depending on the person doing the drills. But all the information is excellent!

An added bonus for me was being able to watch Bob execute all the drills. For those who have never seen Bob hit a ball, he has a very classic stance and stroke, text book you might say (classic stance & stroke does not always mean old, but in this case...:)). So it helps instill good habits to those watching.

Overall, if you like VEPS, you'll like VEPP. Dr. Dave delivers again w/a different partner (Tom Ross was the VEPS partner), no disappointments. It's up to the individual soak up what they feel is important to them. And like VEPS, your website as a reference is crazy good. It really makes it easy for the student to create the templates you talk about and to look for any one subject.

Well done boys :thumbup:.

Dave
 
12squared said:
My good Dr. Dave,

I have watched one time through each disc. I must say you produce some of the most consistent products out there, and very thorough. As others have mentioned, there is so much information and drills that it would take a long time to actually go through everything and report on whether or not each drill is helpful. I suspect some will be more helpful than others depending on the person doing the drills. But all the information is excellent!

An added bonus for me was being able to watch Bob execute all the drills. For those who have never seen Bob hit a ball, he has a very classic stance and stroke, text book you might say (classic stance & stroke does not always mean old, but in this case...:)). So it helps instill good habits to those watching.

Overall, if you like VEPS, you'll like VEPP. Dr. Dave delivers again w/a different partner (Tom Ross was the VEPS partner), no disappointments. It's up to the individual soak up what they feel is important to them. And like VEPS, your website as a reference is crazy good. It really makes it easy for the student to create the templates you talk about and to look for any one subject.

Well done boys :thumbup:.

Dave
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Thanks Dave! I appreciate your kind words.

I agree that Bob's stance and stroke are very "classic." I think this is easy for him due to his "vertically challenged" stature. Bob suggested I should have femur-reduction surgery to help make my stance more comfortable, but I think I'll pass. My height did come in handy for the jump shot drills. I didn't have enough phone books laying around for Bob, so I had to shoot those. :grin:

... just kidding Bob. ;)

Regards,
Dave
 
12squared said:
Overall, if you like VEPS, you'll like VEPP.
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Based on feedback I've gotten so far, most people enjoy watching VEPS better than VEPP; but most people also know that they probably need VEPP more than VEPS. Without the skills VEPP helps you develop, all of the techniques, shots, systems, and strategies in VEPS are of little value.

IMO,
VEPS = knowledge + what people like to watch and learn
VEPP = skills + what people need to play better​

Regards,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Based on feedback I've gotten so far, most people enjoy watching VEPS better than VEPP; but most people also know that they probably need VEPP more than VEPS. Without the skills VEPP helps you develop, all of the techniques, shots, systems, and strategies in VEPS are of little value.
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I have both and they are very good series, although since we both know him, "Bob being human" is just lies. :D I can't believe you actually taped him missing. I didn't think such a thing was possible, although cling may have played a part in this.

I wish I had gotten VEPP first, not because one series is better than the other, but because it covers the steps needed to make VEPS work (as you previously mentioned). I will recommend it to others.
 
Ghosst said:
I have both and they are very good series, although since we both know him, "Bob being human" is just lies. :D I can't believe you actually taped him missing. I didn't think such a thing was possible, although cling may have played a part in this.
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Bob does miss periodically, but I don't think this is "scientific proof" that he is human. I think the jury is still out on that one. :grin-square:

Ghosst said:
I wish I had gotten VEPP first, not because one series is better than the other, but because it covers the steps needed to make VEPS work (as you previously mentioned).
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I'm glad you like both series, and I agree that many people could benefit more by working with VEPP before VEPS; although, VEPS is more fun to watch, IMO.

Ghosst said:
I will recommend it to others.
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Thanks.

Regards,
Dave
 
I have been through the first disc and found it quite informative. As a mediocre (at best) player, incorporating the drills will most certainly be helpful.

I would agree with most of what the previous folks have had to say. My only suggestion would be to have a more formal "companion" document. It would be nice to have a printed page (to take to the table) with a diagram for the set up of each drill, instructions for scoring, and a place to tally the score.

It is not really practical (for me anyway), to take a computer and set it up next to the table, watch a drill, figure out how to score it, and record. It would be much more useful to watch a few drills, take a couple of sheets with the corresponding drills on them to the table, do the drills, and score them.

The "how to use VEPP" provides some basic advice, but is basically a do it yourself set up.

Thanks again for a very complete and useful resource.
 
yama988 said:
I have been through the first disc and found it quite informative. As a mediocre (at best) player, incorporating the drills will most certainly be helpful.

I would agree with most of what the previous folks have had to say. My only suggestion would be to have a more formal "companion" document. It would be nice to have a printed page (to take to the table) with a diagram for the set up of each drill, instructions for scoring, and a place to tally the score.
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Thanks for the feedback and suggestion. I would like to do companion books for both VEPS and VEPP some day.

yama988 said:
It is not really practical (for me anyway), to take a computer and set it up next to the table, watch a drill, figure out how to score it, and record. It would be much more useful to watch a few drills, take a couple of sheets with the corresponding drills on them to the table, do the drills, and score them.
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Have you checked out the documents on the VEPP Resource Page yet? Some of the handouts (which you can print) contain table diagrams and scoring sheets for many of the drills. For example, see:

yama988 said:
The "how to use VEPP" provides some basic advice, but is basically a do it yourself set up.
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For the drills with no handout, you can use the table diagrams and scoring sheet in the How to use VEPP document.

I know ... you're right ... a companion book would be better. :sorry:

yama988 said:
Thanks again for a very complete and useful resource.
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You're quite welcome ... and I'm glad you are finding the new series helpful so far. Thanks again for the feedback and suggestion.

Regards,
Dave
 
I just got the following message from an AZB'er:

Dave,
Last year I was able to take advantage of the sale you ran on VEPS for 25% off. You announced the sale on AZB, I then coordinated with another member and we both purchased using Paypal and split the 50% 2nd set discount.

Since your pre-orders are all filled by now, seems like a good time to run the same sale on VEPP! I'm in for the deal if it's able to be structured the same way.​

Good idea! Here's the same promotion we had offered for VEPS:

As a special thanks to those who have already ordered the entire Video Encyclopedia of Pool Practice (VEPP) set, for a limited time (through the end of February, 2012), we are offering a 50% discount to AZB'ers for an additional set purchase. If you want to order a second set for a friend or family member (e.g., as a birthday gift), just place the order on the website and send me a PM or an e-mail asking for your discount. The 50% refund will be issued through PayPal, provided this is your second full-set purchase. Here's the ordering page.​

Feel free to use the offer creatively, as some AZB'ers have done in the past.


Also, does anybody else have any feedback or reviews after viewing and working with the VEPP DVDs and online resources? Bob and I look forward to hearing how others perceive our new stuff.

Regards,
Dave
 
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Thats me, always nice to get a deal. The way it works is two of us each get a set for 25% off. Each makes payment direct to Dr. Dave, and each receives their set directly from him.

If anyone is interested in purchasing now at the discount price send me a PM to set it up.
 
I'd probably be up for this if anyone else wants to get together.

WAIT, I think I would need / want VEPP first since I dont have that one yet. Guess the offer does not qualify for that set.
 
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