Very Tough Shot

Bola Ocho said:
There's two ways to go about such a shot. One is to simply cinch the 8 with some draw, and then just make the 9 up table corner. You'll be shooting of the rail, but that's no big deal. It should be something you make more often than not.

O.K. say you cinch the 8B. A coupla things. One is the CB is now where the 8B was and on the rail to boot. You're tellin' me that from there making the 9B down table is no big deal? That it should be made more often than not?

Give me better odds. More often than not is anything 51% or better.

That's a tough-ass shot for most of us. As a rule, for money, I don't take that shot. All you have to do to improve your odds is bring the CB back 1 or 1 & 1/2 diamonds and 6 inches off of the rail. That's not a major feat.

If I can't do that then I either duck on the 8B somehow or cinch the 8B
and duck on the 9B. I ain't no hero.

But that shot can be made without much effort as I described it before.
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I'm either doing something wrong or doing something very right. I just set up this shot and made it 5 out of 5 tries. CB and 8B both frozen to rail and I draw the CB back towards the 9, end up roughly 1 diamond x 1 diamond out from the bottom right pocket in the diagram. Then I just hit the 9 into the corner at the other end of the table. Were you trying to get position to hit the 9 into the same pocket you were shooting over when on the 8B? I don't think I could make that shot... so made me wonder if that is what people were trying for.

If not and just trying to draw it back for an easy shot on the 9 ... well, I guess I found a shot I'm a natural at! :thumbup:
 
Face away from the table with your butt nearest the 8 ball. Let out a long scream and point to the door. Midway through the scream, bump your butt into that end rail hard.

Maybe nobody will notice. :grin:
 
Neil, the real conundrum is to have the 8B and CB froze on the one short
rail and the 9B froze on the other short rail. Get shape. That's a good drill.
 
this might help
 

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u12armresl said:
Yes, I will try it.
Would you want to add a few other things like a Diamond table with socks stuck in the pocket in Arizona, when humidity is at a certain % ?

It's a shot, I will shoot it, are you going to come here for me to shoot it?
Surely you don't want me to come to you.

Also, shape is relative and I'd imagine with you adding your stipulations you would argue about what shape is or is not, so are you just betting on the ball being made and the cue ball coming back or forward?
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Yes.......
 
I tried this last night on a bar table, 1 diamond, 2 diamonds, didn't matter. shot went every time. both draw and follow worked just fine.

Dunno if it was the difference in cue ball, dirty balls, dirty cloth... or what. I'll try it on a real table with nicer materials as soon as i can (maybe tomorrow?).
 
stljohnny said:
I tried this last night on a bar table, 1 diamond, 2 diamonds, didn't matter. shot went every time. both draw and follow worked just fine.

Dunno if it was the difference in cue ball, dirty balls, dirty cloth... or what. I'll try it on a real table with nicer materials as soon as i can (maybe tomorrow?).
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the difference might be the big pockets and short shelf that most bar tables have. there're all sorts of shots that're easier to make on barbox's than on big tables.
 
stljohnny said:
I tried this last night on a bar table, 1 diamond, 2 diamonds, didn't matter. shot went every time. both draw and follow worked just fine.

Dunno if it was the difference in cue ball, dirty balls, dirty cloth... or what. I'll try it on a real table with nicer materials as soon as i can (maybe tomorrow?).
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The main requirements for the shot are that both balls are frozen on the cushion and the cue stick is jacked up some (forced by either the rail or another ball near the cue ball). Of course, if the object ball is near the pocket or the cue ball is near the object ball, the shot will be easier and/or possible.
 
I just tried it 5 times set up as described. I made sure both were perfectly frozen. I used low right and drew it back and made the 9 in the corner up table. Shouldn't be that big of deal.
 
I play the 8 with just enough speed to make it{throwing the cueball} and take the simple 1 rail bank to the side. If you bank it easy and miss you should leave a harder shot then you had-miss shooting the ball in the
corner and you leave a easier shot then you had!
Just my take,Jack
 
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