Vibration/Buzz with More Than oneTips English

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A friend of mine has a cue that has a lot of vibration/buzz when using more than one tip of spin. It does not seem to effect play but the hit does feel and sound different than one tip or less. I have the same 3/8 10 joint as him and we swapped shafts. But the vibration is still there on his cue and not mine.

What could cause this? If there was somthing loose, why would it only happen when applying more than a tip of English?

Could it just be that his purpleheart butt resonants differently than mine?

Does this affect play? You do not hear/feel any buzz when striking the cue with the hand or when shooting with one tip or less of spin.

Thanks,
Jonathan
 
Is his ferrule an uncapped one ?
Are you sure the ferrule is not loose ?
If apply draw, the top side of the ferrule absorbs the shock down from the tip.
On center ball, the center of the ferrule ( and more contact area ) absorbs the shock down from the tip.
 
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When the joint pin was installed the maker may not have let the epoxy
cure properly before screwing the shaft together with the butt creating
an air pocket. That could be a symptom when you stated the same
thing happens when your shaft is screwed on the butt. Resetting the
pin might help. Just my 2 cents.
 
I don't think it is ferrule related since the buzz occurs with more than one shaft.
The pin makes more sense. I noticed that the shafts screw on much tighter on my cue and there is hardly any friction when screwing onto his 3/8 10 pin.

But that shouldn't affect playability? Should it?

I feel bad that I pointed this out to him. I should have just kept my mouth shut because he was unaware and happy with the cue. It bothers him now.
 
Obviously not a cue maker here, but let me say what I think. By trading shafts you cleared the ferrule and shaft. That would be the first thing to check.

The next is the joint. Pin installation problem or failure or joint collar installation problem or failure.

Next the A joint.

Then perhaps something in the butt sleeve/handle union.

Then the butt cap/weight bolt/bumper area.

You already cleared the shaft, the next easiest to check/clear yourself is the bumper/weight bolt. Make sure everything is tight.

If you don't find it there then send it for repair because it's one of the other things.


Why does English do it? Lateral force on the cue is the short answer. English causes a deflection of the tip which is a lateral force, that is transmitted the entire length of the cue in waves. If something is loose, it can buzz.

OK guys...it was early and I was looking for something to do while waiting for my first client at 8:30AM. Yes, I am working on Sunday. So I'll give the floor back to the cue makers and they can tell you how badly I screwed this up. Sorry to barge in. :grin:



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Thanks for all the input guys. I forgot to mention that I checked his butt for a weight bolt and there is none. Not even threaded for one.

Any ideas on how to tell if it is an issue with the joint collar, A joint or pin? I am just curious now because I am never going to mention it to him again unless he asks. I feel bad for saying anything in the first place.
 
to locate the "buzz", take the shaft off and tap the butt section. rotate the butt as well when tapping.
 
Chopdoc said:
Obviously not a cue maker here, but let me say what I think. By trading shafts you cleared the ferrule and shaft. That would be the first thing to check.

The next is the joint. Pin installation problem or failure or joint collar installation problem or failure.

Next the A joint.

Then perhaps something in the butt sleeve/handle union.

Then the butt cap/weight bolt/bumper area.

You already cleared the shaft, the next easiest to check/clear yourself is the bumper/weight bolt. Make sure everything is tight.

If you don't find it there then send it for repair because it's one of the other things.


Why does English do it? Lateral force on the cue is the short answer. English causes a deflection of the tip which is a lateral force, that is transmitted the entire length of the cue in waves. If something is loose, it can buzz.

OK guys...it was early and I was looking for something to do while waiting for my first client at 8:30AM. Yes, I am working on Sunday. So I'll give the floor back to the cue makers and they can tell you how badly I screwed this up. Sorry to barge in. :grin:



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dont you have PATIENTS not CLIENTS???
just askin.......:grin:
 
1)Loose weight bolt
2)Loose ferrule
3)Air pocket between the tip and ferrule
4)A-joint (which causes funny sounds depending on which way the cue is turned and you'd be surprised how many bad sounding cues is because of it)
I would bet its either #3 or 4 Goodluck
 
scsuxci said:
1)Loose weight bolt
2)Loose ferrule
3)Air pocket between the tip and ferrule
4)A-joint (which causes funny sounds depending on which way the cue is turned and you'd be surprised how many bad sounding cues is because of it)
I would bet its either #3 or 4 Goodluck
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No weight bolt and happens on multiple shafts. So most likely an A joint issue.

Does an A joint issue affect playability or just make an odd sound? It's only when he applies heavy spin. Is this something that gets worse over time?
 
JMW said:
No weight bolt and happens on multiple shafts. So most likely an A joint issue.

Does an A joint issue affect playability or just make an odd sound? It's only when he applies heavy spin. Is this something that gets worse over time?
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One of my best players has a buzz. Everyone is different. Some play with ferrules that are so blue you may have to change out the ferrule to get it white again. Some must have white unblemished ferrules and shafts or they are distracted. I must admit blue ferrules bug me too. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the performance of my player with a buzz. If you want to keep the cue and the buzz bothers you talk to who made it. More than likely It can be fixed. :grin:
 
JMW said:
No weight bolt and happens on multiple shafts. So most likely an A joint issue.

Does an A joint issue affect playability or just make an odd sound? It's only when he applies heavy spin. Is this something that gets worse over time?
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It will never get better but could always get worse.If the cue is expensive I would get it fixed for sure.For me I like proper harmonics and feel when I hit the ball.Something like that would drive me nuts knowing my cue is screwed up but thats just me.If it doesn't bother your buddy so be it but in my opinion I think it could effect the shot if the problem gets worse.I think that on the impact of the shot ,that if your foundation has an issue ,will start
hindering the proper energy that your buddy will want when he's stroking
a tough shot.
 
It can't be the shaft because the buzz remains when the shaft is changed out.

My guess, also, is that it is likely the A-joint. There is also the possibility that it has an embedded weight bolt in the butt - the bolt is not removeable, but still there and could cause such a buzz if it has worked loose. This is more a characteristic of a cheap cue, but not always.

Unfortunately, once a player/owner decides it is a problem, then it IS a problem. He goes to hit the cue ball and half of his brain is listening for/anticipating the buzz, which messes the whole shot up.

It is difficult to figure out where the buzz is coming from. I have read here, but not done myself, that it is sometimes possible to fix an A-joint buzz by drilling a tiny hole into the A-joint from the side and then filling the void with epoxy using a syringe or other needle applicator. That would be kind a of last ditch effort IMHO.

Good Luck!!

Gary
 
GBCues said:
Unfortunately, once a player/owner decides it is a problem, then it IS a problem. He goes to hit the cue ball and half of his brain is listening for/anticipating the buzz, which messes the whole shot up.
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Yep... and I have learned a big lesson. I will continue to try other peoples cues, but I will never point out anything negative. Even if it plays like crap, buzzes like a bee, and hits like a turd.
 
My r-6 Schon buzzes like a bee

I will have someone rematch the A -joint and the Handle. mark- Jacoby does good work!! Fair price. Or get Rundy to fix it its his design.
 
bbb said:
dont you have PATIENTS not CLIENTS???
just askin.......:grin:
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Actually, no. I am not practicing. I am teaching privately...doctors and medical students for their board exams. I also do some consulting for other medical related things...like for lawyers that needs a medical explanation or research done for a case.


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Sounds to me like where the forearm and handle meet. Tap it in that area and see if you hear a hollow sound anywhere
 
It's the A joint. I had several cues from different cuemakers, and some of them had this issue. The problem is not necessary because of poor work. It can be because of the wood in joint area, a fine crack in the ring section, pin constructed material, bad cut or bad facing of the joint.
First thing first try to reface the joint. It might be the easiest way to get rid off this.
Otherwise a deeper research in the joint/pin area wil find the issue. The cm or a nice repairman will deal with this matter better than you. My2cents...

Chris

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