Video on Corey Deuel's SPLITTING 8-ball break...
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Interesting, didn't know you could consistently make the corner ball... may opt to break in 14.1. Not sure if template racks are allowed in 14.1.
Ow.
Rain Man will mess with your mind.
Rain Man will mess with your mind.
Pretty cool . He does a very nice break and also the slow 9 ball break is pretty genius itself. I must admit when I was younger I tried to break as hard as I could. My Dad was an Elite player , several have told me he was one of the best in around this area. I have yet to this day seen anyone who break as hard as he could , When he as like 16 years old he could break so hard that it would throw the cue ball up and bust the lights out overtop the pool table. The owner of the pool hall told me this himself and he ordered bigger cue balls to slow him down from breaking so hard lol , That was a mistake Dad drove them that much harder. Finally the owner told him to quit it was costing to much in light bulbs lol . He would break and you could feel the floor shake, and he would make 4-5 balls every time. I always tried to replicate it but never could get it as well as the original. My Dad hustled for several years and would travel around to the pool halls back then. My Mom still has a ring that my Dad bought her from some of the Money he won Hustling. Those were the days. He said when he was 12 years old he would mow a yard for a dime and play all day on it never losing. He would give me a hard time over my 2 piece cue , he had a old 1950's house cue he played with that he wrapped black tape for a wrap. He said he never cared about fancy 2 piece cues because he never got beat by one lol . Sorry for the long post but got a few memories back . Thanks
Ha! That's my 8 ball break minus the pattern racking but I do it with a different tack in mind. I mix the balls solid stripe solid with opposing colors on the corners.
Then I break so the cue ball goes back in the stack or not with my main idea is that there will be solids and stripes in the mess of balls in the center of the table. This lets the
first one to the table run some balls off but he can't get out unless he breaks out the balls. So the second shooter has chances to run some balls and in some instances pot balls and break out the rack or
end up with strategy game which I'm more favored to win. I like the strategy and safeties end of 8-ball. Thanks for posting. I'll have to look at the order of colors again.
In Europe the players discovered the dead balls and didn't even bother playing for a break shot for the next rack -- just play a dead one. The rule became that you must use a triangle for 14.1. I think a better rule would have been that you cannot call a ball from an untouched rack.
Of course the technique works a lot better if you are allowed to pattern rack. The rules and some tournaments don't allow pattern racking.
Those damned rules, so inconvenient.
https://wpapool.com/rules-of-play/
2.2 Nine Ball Rack: The object balls are racked as tightly as possible in a diamond shape, with the one ball at the apex of the diamond and on the foot spot and the nine ball in the middle of the diamond. The other balls will be placed in the diamond without purposeful or intentional pattern.
3.2 Eight Ball Rack: The fifteen object balls are racked as tightly as possible in a triangle, with the apex ball on the foot spot and the eight ball as the first ball that is directly below the apex ball. One from each group of seven will be on the two lower corners of the triangle. The other balls are placed in the triangle without purposeful or intentional pattern.
9.2 Ten Ball Rack: The object balls are racked as tightly as possible in a triangular shape, with the one ball at the apex of the triangle and on the foot spot and the ten ball in the middle of the triangle. The other balls will be placed in the triangle without purposeful or intentional pattern. (See Regulation 4, Ball Rack Template.)
In the British pool games, there is a sort of pattern racking. There is one pattern, which you must use. This has been determined to give the most even distribution of reds and yellows, or stripes and solids. I think it's a good system.
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I would almost bet that Corey could solve that pattern if he were required to break from it.
There's a crippled but not dead one. Same corner ball; shoot at the third ball down the side as if to cut it to the corner. It was shown to me as a one pocket break. I thought it was suicidal and never pursued it.
Corey in a Midwest 8 ball barbox did a 14-1 break banking the wing ball back , I believe it took him to the finals I believe he lost ,, DO I have that correct
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Couldn't get that corner ball to go on a 9' table.
I think Daniel Busch said the problem with overheads is the lens distortion. I don't bother with one pocket videos because there's no way to know how the stack is sitting.
An array of cheap cameras and mixer/switchers to address this issue can't be that hard to come up with.
An array of cheap cameras and mixer/switchers to address this issue can't be that hard to come up with.
Banking the corner ball is a decent percentage on a table you know. I don't think I'd play it in a tournament, but I frequently use it when I play with friends for fun. It's about 60-70% make, I'd say, maybe more on some tables. You start out a little less than a diamond out from the side rail and hit it about 1/3 of a ball with high inside. I can't exactly remember it's been 6 weeks since I was last at the table. It's a feel thing. I know the starting point and the thickness at the table, but haven't really memorized it per se. If you come close to scratching, hit it thinner. If you can't transfer the spin with that thinness, move the cueball further out to the side and hit it slightly thicker. Work it back and forth until you dial it in. Every table is different, but when you get the feel, you're usually close on most common tables. I think there are more ways than one, using different speeds and thicknesses of hit. I find the speed that works the best for me, is the speed where, if the object ball were to miss, it banks back up til about the side pocket on a fast table, like a Diamond or Brunswick with new cushions. When this stupid virus is over, maybe I'll make a video about the "dead" 14.1 breaks. I know 4 banks and two direct (which are the lowest percentages).
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For those interested, I have a lot of information about this and related racking "cheats" and smart breaking strategy here:
pattern racking, ball-gap strategy, soft break
8-ball racking and breaking strategy
9-ball racking and breaking strategy
10-ball racking and breaking strategy
Enjoy,
Dave
This break and pattern has been around for a pretty pretty long while.
Worked outside Hamilton Ohio around 98/99, met this older gentleman there that showed this to me along with a few other tricks. Nice fella. If I remember correctly the pool hall was down the road from a pretty large strip with a big regional gym. On the north side of Cincinnati right off the freeway.
Wasn't in the area but a few weeks, pretty sure it wasn't his home room. Can't remember the name of the hall he told me I could find him if I wanted more help with my game. Never had the opportunity to get that help though.
Worked outside Hamilton Ohio around 98/99, met this older gentleman there that showed this to me along with a few other tricks. Nice fella. If I remember correctly the pool hall was down the road from a pretty large strip with a big regional gym. On the north side of Cincinnati right off the freeway.
Wasn't in the area but a few weeks, pretty sure it wasn't his home room. Can't remember the name of the hall he told me I could find him if I wanted more help with my game. Never had the opportunity to get that help though.