Vintage Cue Experts Check this out - 1920-25 Herman Rambow Design w/Bell Ferrule 3-

Whoever it is REALLY needs to fix his auction page.

My God, it is like 5 pages wide............... :D :D
 
I have never seen or even heard of a cue like this, and would like to learn more about it from you guys that know
 
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There are pictures and descriptions of this exact cue in the Blue Book of Cue's 3rd edition, if you can beg or borrow a copy.
 
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BPG24 said:
I have never seen or even heard of a cue like this, and would like to learn more about it from you guys that know

It was a standard Brunswick model that Rambow designed. It was the first cue to have a joint above the wrap for weighting & balancing. The bell ferrule was for a larger tip without a thicker shaft taper.

If it is all original, it might be the nicest one available. I've never seen one that nice.

The Billiard Encyclopedia tells all about it and the Blue Book gives values.
 
Neat cue. I know nothing about it. I do recall seeing something about the bell ferrules in the Billiard Encyclopedia.

I wonder if that 4" joint pin wil make a comeback? :D

It's not a pin its a lag bolt.
 
Wow

wow that is a nice looking cue especially for being that old it is a great piece of billiards history we may never see one like this again!
 
JCIN said:
Neat cue. I know nothing about it. I do recall seeing something about the bell ferrules in the Billiard Encyclopedia.

I wonder if that 4" joint pin wil make a comeback? :D

It's not a pin its a lag bolt.
All Thread Rod!!!!!! lololololol
 
I assisted the seller with the research on this. It's a classic "Hub Cue", a design credited to Herman Rambow - it's in the 1923 Brunswick catalog. I've seen them with points, like this one has, and with plain forearms.

Noteworthy that is this is among the earliest use I've found of what we now call the "Hoppe Ring" also credited to Rambow.

I haven't figured out why he made it in 3 pieces, but what is also noteworthy is that this is the same way many modern cues are made - we just can't see the internal joint connecting the handle to the forearm which is jointed and glued up.

Here's an unfinished site I'm still working on - which shows old Brunswick catalogs and many cues, though not the Hub Cue just yet.

http://www.palmercollector.com/Brunswick/BruswickCollectorHomePage.html

Chris
 
TATE said:
I assisted the seller with the research on this. It's a classic "Hub Cue", a design credited to Herman Rambow - it's in the 1923 Brunswick catalog. I've seen them with points, like this one has, and with plain forearms.

Noteworthy that is this is among the earliest use I've found of what we now call the "Hoppe Ring" also credited to Rambow.

I haven't figured out why he made it in 3 pieces, but what is also noteworthy is that this is the same way many modern cues are made - we just can't see the internal joint connecting the handle to the forearm which is jointed and glued up.

Here's an unfinished site I'm still working on - which shows old Brunswick catalogs and many cues, though not the Hub Cue just yet.

http://www.palmercollector.com/Brunswick/BruswickCollectorHomePage.html

Chris
Another great site form you,Chris. I'm sure it will provide many with hours of enjoyment and education,just as your Palmer Collector site has done.
 
Cuaba said:
It was a standard Brunswick model that Rambow designed. It was the first cue to have a joint above the wrap for weighting & balancing. The bell ferrule was for a larger tip without a thicker shaft taper.

If it is all original, it might be the nicest one available. I've never seen one that nice.

The Billiard Encyclopedia tells all about it and the Blue Book gives values.

Cuaba,
You have bought up some good points that I want to build on. All the information had been written 15 years ago in both the Encyclopedia and the Blue Books. If people would obtain the copies they could easily be more educated about these cues without much trouble. I have the good fortune of knowing people who have been great educator's and have shown me things that I would not have the opportunity to know. Now to go over a few points...

- 1923 first hub cue shown in Brunsick catalog
- 1925 Patent to Herman Rambow NOT for hub cue, not for 2 piece brass jointed cue, but for a WEIGHT system. In the encyclopedia on page 271 of the second printing you can see the drawing. It shows that by putting a threaded rod of varying lengths you can adjust the weight of a cue in approximately the A joint location. It's clear that Rambow knew that butt heavy cues were not desirable and he was an innovator before his time.

The ivory "ring" was used IMHO on the HUB cue to even out the design. But ivory rings are shown in Brunswick designs in earlier catalogs. Example, the fishing pole cue no 220 from the 1915 catalog has an ivory ring, the no. 210 has a hexagonal cut ivory ring, (talk about excessive) and so on.

Decals should only be used for approximate dating. This cue has a white/gold decal, which one would believe is for a cue from before 1923. However there are a few very plausible explanations for this. The cue was left over from that time period and converted into a HUB cue. The person who did the actual machining (not necessarily Rambow) had a white gold decal sitting in his machinist box and put it on the cue. I could think of a few more but will leave it at that. Conversely this could be the first hub cue if you wanted to speculate to the label. Also remember that Brunswick had cues made in a few locations, as good as Rambow was, he hadn't patented space/light bending so the chances of him making every cue of that time period are a bit light.

Brunswick decals (most of them) are being reproduced now for restorations. I will bet that 25% of them will be incorrect.

The screw in the lower area sometimes in shown in the butt or in the above piece. This can be because of the way it's turned to disassemble, might have been glued later, there is no exact reason. It's very random.

We have every Brunswick catalog at our disposal, Mr. Rubino and Vic Stein, spent a plethora of time and their own money to make sure his information was as accurate as possible. If you want to learn about these cues there are extensive chapters in the first two printings of the Billiards Encyclopedia.

All this being said, it's a gorgeous cue and in great shape. The case is period and adds quite a bit to the history of the cue.

JV
 
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