wanna know how to out a sandbagger ?

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lorider

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piss him off !

there is a guy that is on the opposing team we played last night that i have known since bcapl days 8 years ago. he us only an apa 4. i been around pool enough to judge someones speed " at least be in the ball park ".

i threw my 8 and they throw him. well sure enough my 8 gets up 40-10 and i saw where that 4 was not making shots i knew he was capable of making.

he happens to come stand between our tables right next to me while he is waiting for his next turn.

i stand up next to him and say softly so no one else will hear, i have known you a long time and remember when you used to beat the hell outa me on the table. it must be embarrassing to have people in league that have not been in pool as long as you beat you week after week.

i said right now my 8 is up 40-10 on you . he aint just beating your ass , he is just downright embarrassing you.

he dont say nothing. he just looks at me as i sit back down. about that time its his turn to shoot..

well let me say .... the rest of the match went pretty quickly. the 4 scores 21 points to my 8's 17and wins 31-57. i thought that was pretty impressive but i have had a few come from behinds like that a time or 2. not against an 8 but a couple of 7's.

whats really impressive about the rest of this match is that it went 0 innings...... yea thats right...0 innings.

after i piss that 4 off about mentioning how lousy he was playing and being down 40-10 he scores 21 points to my 8's 17 in 0 innings.

within 15 minutes after the end of the match it was all over the pool hall. the lo came over and looked at the score sheet and said wow. looked at the 4 then back at the score sheet and said wow again before putting it down.

dont think that guy will be a 4 next week. :wink:
 
after the score was 40-10 and i talked to the 4 my 8 ran 17 balls. the 4 comes back and runs 21 balls to win.

this was after only making 10 balls in 7 innings. thats right he spent 7 innings making a ball here and there then making what you call a 2 way shot here and there where he leaves my guy hard. in other words not an obvious saftey, just running uo innings.

the rest of the match went 0 innings with him running 21 straight when he went to the table.

the 8 won the lag , the inning is not over until the 4 loses his turn at the table.
 
Doc Holliday said:
How could they both score points in 0 innings? I thought an inning was both players shoot?
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It's possible, but not in the scenario that the OP mentions. If the SL8 got his 17 points (while lorider was "whispering" in the sandbaggers ear) at the top of the inning, and the sandbagging SL4 closed out the match with 21 points, that would have been 0 innings scored.

But.....it doesn't seem to be described that way in the OP. No mention of the SL8 getting his last 17 points at the time the sandbagger was getting his "talk".

Ooops! To slow on the answer. Lorider got it covered in the post above this one!!!

Maniac
 
Just curious, was it two break and runs? Never saw a four do that. But saw a 4 run a rack of 9b before
if the layout is easy. I can imagine one runout + two partial racks is possible for a four. Still fishy though.
 
CreeDo said:
Just curious, was it two break and runs? Never saw a four do that. But saw a 4 run a rack of 9b before
if the layout is easy. I can imagine one runout + two partial racks is possible for a four. Still fishy though.
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he made the 8 and 9. then had a break and run, then ran 8 last rack getting his needed 21 points. thats the only thing that kept him from having another break and run, had an easy shot on the 9 if he had needed it.
 
Wow the terminology has gone right over my head. I'm guessing teams in APA are handicapped, with good players and not so good players to try make it fair. So the "not so good guy" was ranked beneath his actual ability to handicap his team, but was infact better than a 4? Aka a sandbag/dbag?

I will get the American pool lingo down one day.
 
Ken_4fun said:
Agreed.

This silly nit should have the 4 whisper in HIS ear.:rolleyes: He is smart enough to be a 4 and this guy isn't.

:eek:

KEN
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people with your attitude is what gives pool a bad name.

whats wrong with playing the best you can every time at the table and letting the outcome be what it is.

nit huh ? look in the mirror. :smile:
 
I hate sandbagging period. I also hate Sharking period.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

If you really think he's a sandbager as you stated, you handled it quite poorly I think. If I was so inclined, I would have talked with the league operator and issued a formal complaint. But I would never try to get in someone's head like you tried.

I call bad form on your part lorider...
 
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Pete said:
I hate sandbagging period. I also hate Sharking period.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

If you really think he's a sandbager as you stated, you handled it quite poorly I think. If I was so inclined, I would have talked with the league operator and issued a formal complaint. But I would never try to get in someone's head like you tried.

I call bad form on your part lorider...
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you know.... i gotta agree with you on this. i thought along the lines you do before i spoke to him. after playing against him in apa for 3 years i had enough and said something to him.

now as far as going to the lo,,, with what ? my suspicions ?

thats kinds like me being a kid playing a game with my brother and then running to mama and saying he is cheating.

i chose the lesser of 2 evils and let him out himself.

i dont think sharking is an accurate description of what i accomplished anyway. isnt sharking what you do when you are trying to beat an opponent, not get him to play his best.
 
I actually like the way you handled it.
Instead of coming across as whiny to the LO you bruised his ego enough to make him shoot all out and do it to himself.

Lots of gray areas but I think the way you handled it was just fine, IMO.
 
The fall session will only be my third in the APA so I'm no expert on the APA.

That said, I find that many turn a blind eye to sandbaggers. There are some that openly brag about their sandbagging prowess. From what I've seen though it is the only way they can keep their teams together and still meet the 23 rule. They are usually found on the teams that consistently make the playoffs and go to Vegas so I guess it validates their behavior.

I've played at least three matches where I suspected the other player was sandbagging. I took my victory and walked away feeling like I was slimed, but I will take the "W" every time. If my team ever makes the playoffs I just hope I'm lucky enough to play them again and prove that cheaters never win.

I think it's kind of sad that these people have so little faith in their ability to win a fair match that they resort to cheating.

Playing in the APA is a fun diversion, if I need to go to Vegas in August that badly I'll buy a ticket and keep my integrity.
 
Sandbaggers in general irritate me. I was a team captain in TAP and while watching obvious shanking of shots by both my player and the captain of the other team I reported both to our league operator. I know a lot of APA players that don't consider it cheating to "manipulate" their handicaps. Most of the time they do it just so they can keep the team together and play Nationals.
 
CreeDo said:
Just curious, was it two break and runs? Never saw a four do that. But saw a 4 run a rack of 9b before
if the layout is easy. I can imagine one runout + two partial racks is possible for a four. Still fishy though.
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My wife had a break-and-run in APA 9-ball as a SL3. It took a decent table layout and both of her timeouts to get-r-done though.

Needless to say, the other team didn't share in her excitement after the fact.

She was raised to a SL4 several weeks afterwards.

Maniac
 
Ken_4fun said:
Agreed.

This silly nit should have the 4 whisper in HIS ear.:rolleyes: He is smart enough to be a 4 and this guy isn't.

:eek:

KEN
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Yeah, he is smart enough to cheat, and not get caught.

Nice to see you applauding that fact. Cuz, of course, its great to be a cheater, right? If you are "smart enough" to get away with it, I mean... Oh hell, its only APA, nothing wrong with that, huh?

Sheesh.
 
pogmothoin said:
Playing in the APA is a fun diversion, if I need to go to Vegas in August that badly I'll buy a ticket and keep my integrity.
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You think a lot like I do, except I have not one, single, small urge to ever go to Las Vegas. That plane fare could be better spent on something else, imo.

I have never understood what the big deal is about going to Vegas to play pool in a tournament where if you suddenly get on a roll (catch a gear), you are subject to being raised a skill level (forget what you had been shooting like the past 16 weeks) and possibly disqualified. I'd rather stay home and play local tournaments.

Maniac
 
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