so i guess im stuck with two warped pieces of fire wood lol!!! anyone want to buy some new espiritu butts lol!!!
warp or taper roll?
- Thread starter SOULHASSORROW
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warp
I don't see what equipment has to do with warpage. That is how the wood is dryed and taken care of.
It's a warp, and warps are inexcusable in todays modern equipment. As to who caused the warp, you'll have to work that out with whomever you got the cue from.
I don't see what equipment has to do with warpage. That is how the wood is dryed and taken care of.
I myself think there is a difference between taper roll and warped. First let me say a shaft shouldnt bounce on the table. When rolled, the tip and shaft collar should roll smooth. But just because you can see light variances when rolled on a table doesnt mean that it is warped. I myself, have never seen a shaft that didnt have at least a tiny almsot unnoticeable taper roll. A shaft is made by hand. It is round. Who do you know that can draw a perfect circle by hand? Noone. No matter how close it is, it cant be done. Same goes with a shaft. It is circular. Done by hand. To complicate things, the diamter changes from top to bottom. I would love to see someone post a video of them rolling the cue on the table and and show they have a shaft that doesnt show some kind of light variance under the shaft. Not saying one doesnt exhist, but the probability is extremely infinitesimal. JMHO.
First of all everyone should remember that rolling a cue flat on the table does not tell you anything about the straightness of a cue.
Rolling the cue with the joint on the rail and the butt on the table is MUCH MUCH BETTER....you watch the tip and see how it rolls and that tells you how much inline the center of the tip is with the back of the center of the butt of the cue.
THE BEST WAY is to put the cue on a lathe.
Taper rolls happen alot from people hand sanding on their shafts.....remember the tip can be dead inline but you can sand the shaft egg shaped and it will roll on the table all JACKED up but still be "straight" all that changes is the light gap but the shaft ends dont jump
Second is the butt of the cue.....i've personally seen a few cues that seemed to be sort of flat at the points and the finish wasn't round on the forearm......you put them in the lathe and they run straight....you put the shaft on and roll it on the table and it rolls on the flats of the finish and makes the cue jump its ass off....you roll it on the rail and it was dam near perfect....but just rolling that cue on the table made you think it was crooked as sh*t.
Not everything is always as it seems.
Its not how straight the sides of a cue are....its how the tip lines up with the butt that matters the most.
It's a warp, and warps are inexcusable in todays modern equipment. As to who caused the warp, you'll have to work that out with whomever you got the cue from.
yeah because maple is a really really modern material.
How much does the shaft "lift up" when you roll it? Is it something that can be measured? If it is, and it is only slight - say 1/16" or less - it may be irritating to you to know that the shafts are not perfect, but be advised that this little movement is normal. I have never seen any shafts with a little age on them that have stayed perfectly straight.
Roger
I'll gladly pay you what you put into the raffle to win them! :grin:
lol. i figure i would roll the shafts on a different 5/16x14 cue. heres the thread killer, the shafts were dead straight lol, the pin on the espiritu is offset by a hair which was causing the slight hesitation when the cue was rolled with the shafts on. i appreciate all the help guys.
By equipment, butter, I was refering to the cue.
The wood is dryed at the supplier, not at the cuemakers, and is usually under 10% moisture content when purchased. Many cuemakers use a sealant during the cue making process to kept the wood stabilized, but I always thought it was a lot of unncesessary time and trouble.
All quality cuemakers, that I know of, send their finished products out straight, and usually with some type of limited warrantee.
Almost all warping is caused by the cue owner through misuse, or poor maintenance, or both.
It's likely the joint face of the butt, not the pin. The pin could be moderately bent or off center and still lock the shafts down straight to roll straight. If the joint face is just a couple thouysandths of an inch from exact square of centerline, then the cue will wobble no matter how straight each component is. It's an easy cheap quick fix, too.
TheCueHunter
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This is the best post in the thread and exactly what I was going to write. Although I actually had an ED PREWITT cue that when rolled had NO VARIANCE, and I have an ED PREWITT cue now that is very close, but thats it.
I dotn even know how many cues I have had but they all had a little variance. Its just the way it is. I would consider a TAPER ROLL a variance in the stroking area that may be worn down a little more due to use. A warp is when the tip or joint comes off the table. IMHO.:thumbup:
Dude:
You misled us with your original post. You said, and I quote, "just had a quick question i have 2 brand new espiritu shafts and when i roll them without the butt, the middle of the shaft lifts up but the tip stays grounded.
You sent everyone on a wild ride and I was about to post a meaningfull reply.
