Was I out of line??

loud mouths are all losers ! and will never get ahead in the game. look at earl !!
should of played the punk for all the money in his pocket. I bet he would of said, I gotta get home to my mommies basement.
 
Johnson said:
i love irony and find it very ironic that u are defending the apa when it is just like bonus ball which u have also supported, 99% of the topics about them shed a negative light on both, the apa is all about the apa making $ no more and no less, the only difference between the 2 is the apa threads are annoying and pointless and the bb threads are fairly entertaining

if people wanna waste their $ on apa and feel like they get something out of it that is worth all the $ they waste then more power to em but why come on here and complain about it every day when most if not all knew exactly what they were getting into?

i am not an apa hater just a realist, it is a virtual scam that has a touch of genius to it w a lot of luck mixed in but to say it supports pool is an absolute joke
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Apparently, you don't know the meaning of the words "irony" and "ironic." Here, let me give you a better example than the one you gave. The biggest knock on Bonus Ball is that they went into operation without a plan for generating revenue and consequently failed. The biggest knock on the APA is that they did go into operation with a plan for generating revenue and consequently have been very successful. Now what's actually ironic is that you seem to support both those knocks.

You are correct in one thing, though; I have supported Bonus Ball, and I still do support the APA. The APA has roughly 250K members. That's 250K people who believe "they get something out of it" for their $20 annual sanction fee and $7 weekly dues. I wonder what they could be getting? Could it be the fact that despite the aggravation of having to tolerate all the sharksters and rules manipulators, they are still getting a lot of cheap entertainment? And maybe part of the entertainment is having a reason to come on here and complain, so why deny them the right to come on here and do it? You don't have to read their complaints, you know.

The only real joke is the belief that a pool organization that has 250K members going into pool rooms every week, is not supporting pool.

Roger
 
They're supporting a bunch of arrogant shitty players who don't get any better because they can hide behind there handy-cap. Who think they're actually winning something going to vegas to play at there sandbagger convention. Hell I live on the other side of the country and it's cheaper for me to pay my own way to vegas to play in the bca nationals then what I put out a year to play in apa. My wife enjoys it so I play but I the second she's not interested I'm out.

Apa is a double edge sword. It's a rough time for pool so getting people playing isn't a bad thing but none of these players give a shit about the game as a whole and most of them in our league do everything NOT to get better because god forbid there handicap goes up and then the team they worked to build will be screwed. They're not really buying anything. No one knows what the mosconi cup is let alone watches it or any other pro pool for that matter. they're in there own little apa universe and they keep you there. You like apa good for you . have fun. but don't try to convince me or any other long time player of this game that they're doing anything wonderful for the longevity of pool.


Roger Long said:
Apparently, you don't know the meaning of the words "irony" and "ironic." Here, let me give you a better example than the one you gave. The biggest knock on Bonus Ball is that they went into operation without a plan for generating revenue and consequently failed. The biggest knock on the APA is that they did go into operation with a plan for generating revenue and consequently have been very successful. Now what's actually ironic is that you seem to support both those knocks.

You are correct in one thing, though; I have supported Bonus Ball, and I still do support the APA. The APA has roughly 250K members. That's 250K people who believe "they get something out of it" for their $20 annual sanction fee and $7 weekly dues. I wonder what they could be getting? Could it be the fact that despite the aggravation of having to tolerate all the sharksters and rules manipulators, they are still getting a lot of cheap entertainment? And maybe part of the entertainment is having a reason to come on here and complain, so why deny them the right to come on here and do it? You don't have to read their complaints, you know.

The only real joke is the belief that a pool organization that has 250K members going into pool rooms every week, is not supporting pool.

Roger
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Roger Long said:
Apparently, you don't know the meaning of the words "irony" and "ironic." Here, let me give you a better example than the one you gave. The biggest knock on Bonus Ball is that they went into operation without a plan for generating revenue and consequently failed. The biggest knock on the APA is that they did go into operation with a plan for generating revenue and consequently have been very successful. Now what's actually ironic is that you seem to support both those knocks.

You are correct in one thing, though; I have supported Bonus Ball, and I still do support the APA. The APA has roughly 250K members. That's 250K people who believe "they get something out of it" for their $20 annual sanction fee and $7 weekly dues. I wonder what they could be getting? Could it be the fact that despite the aggravation of having to tolerate all the sharksters and rules manipulators, they are still getting a lot of cheap entertainment? And maybe part of the entertainment is having a reason to come on here and complain, so why deny them the right to come on here and do it? You don't have to read their complaints, you know.

The only real joke is the belief that a pool organization that has 250K members going into pool rooms every week, is not supporting pool.

Roger
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i am sorry but u are completely BLIND, the biggest knock on bonus ball is that it is a SHADY organization ran by SHADY ppl, u seem to want to give ppl the benefit of the doubt and i'm sure it has worked for u in some occasions but i would guess that u have been taken advantage of many times in life especially by pool players

as far as the apa goes u are sounding a lot like jam and her take on the ipt and kevin trudeau that quantity > quality which 9 times out of 10 it's not, i will admit to bein ignorant of the apa but i do read a lot of the posts on here which are getting very old and what i hear from people that i know well and their takes on the apa of which 98% are negative

my take on the apa is that their biggest problem is that they're also a SHADY organization that only cares about making $, they do not care about the players that support their league or the game that they play, they pay out pennies on the dollar and i've even read on here how the vegas trips are not fully paid for which is the main reason people play apa would that be irony???

again i don't have a lot of personal experience w the apa but a woman i knew well was telling me how an apa operator was trying to expand his league and was all but stalking her w phone calls to join so he could get the players he needed to expand, just seems very shady/greedy to me, a horrible combination that has somehow flourished, go figure
 
trob said:
They're supporting a bunch of arrogant shitty players who don't get any better because they can hide behind there handy-cap. Who think they're actually winning something going to vegas to play at there sandbagger convention. Hell I live on the other side of the country and it's cheaper for me to pay my own way to vegas to play in the bca nationals then what I put out a year to play in apa. My wife enjoys it so I play but I the second she's not interested I'm out.

Apa is a double edge sword. It's a rough time for pool so getting people playing isn't a bad thing but none of these players give a shit about the game as a whole and most of them in our league do everything NOT to get better because god forbid there handicap goes up and then the team they worked to build will be screwed. They're not really buying anything. No one knows what the mosconi cup is let alone watches it or any other pro pool for that matter. they're in there own little apa universe and they keep you there. You like apa good for you . have fun. but don't try to convince me or any other long time player of this game that they're doing anything wonderful for the longevity of pool.
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Here we go again.

I am a shitty player. Got it. Admit it, and am not happy about it.

I play in a league with 100 players, give or take. With all the different ones that come and go, we probably have 150 or so "APA players" actively over the course of a couple year period.

We're all pretty shitty. We don't run racks, much less packages. Most of them don't know what the Mosconi Cup is.

BUT we all have fun. We all play pool at least a couple times a week. We aren't all up in each others face about anything. None of us think we're all that and a bag of chips. And there isn't any outrageous sandbagging conspiracy to keep all of our Skill Levels low. And we all buy stuff. Cues, cases, gloves, chalk, food and drinks and table time. We get excited to go to Tri Cups, and to States. Its fun, and a sense of accomplishment, in our little world.

I repeat, I am a shitty player. And this shitty player wants his Skill Level to go up. And it will, eventually, if I keep at it.

You and Johnson can take your broad brush and apply it to APA, but neither one of you speak to how the APA works IN THIS AREA, which is reasonably well. It is good for pool here. It's my opinion that it does more good than harm in most places. Like anything else, you always hear the bad stuff, you rarely hear the good stuff. Bad news is more fun, and people like to look down on others when and where they can, this thread being no exception.

Of course, anytime you get 250,000 people involved in anything, you are going to get people who will try to game the system. And as has been reported here many times, it happens in all the other leagues, too. And even those pro's that you want us to watch playing The Mosconi Cup, some of them have dumped, too. Split, saver, all of that crap. And sportsmanship issues, like the OP is having an issue with, lets use the Mosconi Cup again to point out that the APA doesn't have a monopoly on that, or that it takes a "shitty" player to act stupid playing pool. We had three on The Cup team, out of five. 60%....and you worry about how low class and low brow the shitty APA players that don't even know what The Mosconi Cup is? Why, so they can act even shittier?

Sheesh.
 
justadub said:
Here we go again. SNIP
Sheesh.
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You must spread some rep around before giving it to the DUB again.

Once again, you post great stuff .. and logic! Damn!

Agree 100%. While I do not play APA anymore, it is because our team no longer plays. It was great fun and social for me. We dropped hundreds every match at the pool room on drinks and food. Can't see how the room would survive without it ... frankly it may not anyway.

I NEVER layed down -- playing as 7/8 was tough as I always gave weight to "some" who were sandbaggers, but that is the case anywhere. I worked with 3's and 4's to IMPROVE their game and would high five if they moved up in rank. Many times it would cause me to not be able to play on the 23 rule (which is too low for 9-ball anyway).

And yes while they could care less about "professional" pool, they all bought cues, cases, accessories, etc just as you describe.
 
To the OP, I think the best suggestion you got would be to wait them out.

For the APA haters, let's see.... Joining an APA team got me back into pool after about 5 years away, got me playing more pool than ever, including joining a second league, spending over $2000 US on cues and equipment since January buying from big retailers, small dealers and custom makers, and has me putting on monthly tournaments, with my third 8-ball tournament next month, and my first 9-ball tournament next month. But hey, APA has me doing nothing for the game as a whole.

Btw, watched the Mosconi Cup this year. Won't be wasting my time again. The Queens Cup was way better entertainment value.
 
alstl said:
You were going to fight a guy over an apa league match?

1. You need to get better at pool.

2. You to learn how to ignore that nonsense.

........

If you can't handle a guy saying something without fighting then you should take up fighting instead of pool.
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Read the thread. I know his OP was a little ambiguous but it was clarified 2 pages ago that he didn't approach the talker to fight or at all.
 
I think league play is an important first step for novice players. It really does teach you the social aspect and you get to meet a wide variety of personality types involved in the game. Pin-Heads like the cheerleader Team Lead with absolutely no sense of propriety or class is just one type of weak sauce shark that you have to deal with. Everyone that has already posted has stated the correct ways to comport yourself in the face of professional level mediocrity.

Like Mr. Miyagi said, "Very important, Always breathe in through nose, out da mouff. Always Loook Eye."

I shut people up by merely making eye contact. Even though I'm a rather large person, I think it would work for anyone. Add a smile that suggest you find their antics humorous. Then beat the living snot out of them in the match.

Lesh
 
Only saying it once:

Straighten up guys.

You don't want me involved here, so knock the crap off.
 
i juat don't understand why the hatred some of you display towards the apa. is it jealousy because they are the largest and most sucessful league?

lets compare pros and cons of the 2 largest leagues ..speaking about apa and bcapl., just my opinion based on my experience in both.

1. money grubbing organization.... let me clue you in on something. no organization out there is providing free pool for you, they are all in biz to make money. now what i am about to say is not an attack on mark griffin or bcapl but just an honest observation that can be looked at more than one way. mr. griffin has posted on here that each league is independently run and he did not care how it was run as long as dues were paid. now some could look at it as ... i dont care what you do, just show me the money.

2. nationals. in apa you have to earn your way. bcapl you can pay your way... again just give me your money and come on and play.

3. format. apa you match up in a race just like every body does when you play a set against anyone. bcapl you play every one on the other team once.

4. sandbagging ... it goes on in all handicapped leagues. its just a reflection of our society as a whole to get what you can when you can.

in apa they strive to prevent sandbagging but in bcapl i just dont see safeguards in place to prevent it.

4. slop... yea apa condones it but i look at it like this. most higher level players dont make slop shots. when i play lower level [layers i look at their slop shots as giving them a few balls much like a shortstop gives a local player a few balls in a matchup.do you see the similarity there ?

5. rules... there are more rules in bcapl that favor higher level players making it easier for them to run out. apa has rules in place to at least give lower level players some table time.

i have more observations but i hope you get my point all leagues are not perfect .. just go out and enjoy playing whatever format your heart desires without looking down your nose at people who just want to play whatever league they want to.
 
Your the exception not the rule... At least not in my experience. It was a bad year for the mosconi cup that's for sure. But when the Super Bowl is a blow out do you never watch another Super Bowl lol I'll watch again next year and hope for better results. They can't all be gems I guess.

leto1776 said:
To the OP, I think the best suggestion you got would be to wait them out.

For the APA haters, let's see.... Joining an APA team got me back into pool after about 5 years away, got me playing more pool than ever, including joining a second league, spending over $2000 US on cues and equipment since January buying from big retailers, small dealers and custom makers, and has me putting on monthly tournaments, with my third 8-ball tournament next month, and my first 9-ball tournament next month. But hey, APA has me doing nothing for the game as a whole.

Btw, watched the Mosconi Cup this year. Won't be wasting my time again. The Queens Cup was way better entertainment value.
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FROM APA HANDBOOK...............................
To help make your evening of League play enjoyable, as well as
enhance the enjoyment of those around you, please observe
basic guidelines of etiquette. Treat your opponent as you
would like to be treated. Pay attention to your match; be ready to
shoot when it is your turn so you don’t slow down the match. If you
are expected to play the next match, have your cue ready, have
enough quarters for the table, if needed, and begin your match as
soon as the previous match is over. Limit coaching to one minute.
Cheering for your teammate is part of the fun, but don’t cheer against
your opponent. A fun and competitive evening of League play is a
goal that can be achieved by observing these guidelines and
displaying good sportsmanship
2. VERBAL ABUSE
Verbal abuse consists of any name calling, threats, or any other language that
could be considered to be harassment or could cause embarrassment to the
opponent. League Management will always have to make judgments in this
area. It is not considered harassment to root for your team—just do not do it
while your opponent is shooting.
 
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breakandrunrob said:
FROM APA HANDBOOK...............................
To help make your evening of League play enjoyable, as well as
enhance the enjoyment of those around you, please observe
basic guidelines of etiquette. Treat your opponent as you
would like to be treated. Pay attention to your match; be ready to
shoot when it is your turn so you don’t slow down the match. If you
are expected to play the next match, have your cue ready, have
enough quarters for the table, if needed, and begin your match as
soon as the previous match is over. Limit coaching to one minute.
Cheering for your teammate is part of the fun, but don’t cheer against
your opponent. A fun and competitive evening of League play is a
goal that can be achieved by observing these guidelines and
displaying good sportsmanship
2. VERBAL ABUSE
Verbal abuse consists of any name calling, threats, or any other language that
could be considered to be harassment or could cause embarrassment to the
opponent. League Management will always have to make judgments in this
area. It is not considered harassment to root for your team—just do not do it
while your opponent is shooting.
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Wow....post #53 before somebody broke out the actual rules!!!!

Good job, breakandrunrob!!!

Clearly, the OP's opponent was committing an act of bad sportsmanship and should have been told so by his own captain.....or the OP's captain if the other team's captain remained silent.

Maniac
 
Maniac said:
Wow....post #53 before somebody broke out the actual rules!!!!

Good job, breakandrunrob!!!

Clearly, the OP's opponent was committing an act of bad sportsmanship and should have been told so by his own captain.....or the OP's captain if the other team's captain remained silent.

Maniac
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who the hell wants to bring up rules when bashing is so much more fun.:rolleyes:
 
My wife and I used to play on an 8 ball league, 9 ball league and 14,1 league. We never has any problems like you are having. It's a shame this guy is such an ass. Just play the best you can and do your very best to beat there team.

Practice hitting your opponents balls together so they have to break the balls up before they have a shot. Even though it is a foul and ball in hand there is a good chance you will get another shot. Many pros play this way. Try to be sure there is none of there balls near by for the break shot. It is very strong defensive shooting but you have to practice it so you can do it when you have to.

I hope things work out well my friend. Shoot well.
 
breakandrunrob said:
there is a rule about breaking down your cue but I couldn't find it. its not a lose though if you put your cue back together
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I never heard of a version where you can "undo" a forfeit by putting the cue back together.
Far as I know, if you unscrew, you lose.

The point is to prevent people from using the old "unscrew move" to shark someone.
If you could just screw it back together then you could still use it to shark the hell out of people.

I can't even find it in the team manual, maybe it's a local bylaw only.
 
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