Was Tunica a success?

Lou,

Guess great minds think alike :eek: . Been saying this for too long. 50 (or so) pro players versus half a million amateur players. Where do you think my loyalty is at?

Lyn


Yes on the minds, Lyn :-) I guess it's just getting a little old listening to "the pros" whine.

No one put a gun to anyones head and said, "Go be a pro pool player." They all made that decision on their own though being a pro pool player has never been particularly profitable (for more than a handful of guys) and has never provided benefits or security in old age.

I say: support the amateurs.

Lou Figueroa
 
I honestly think an easy way for struggling pro's to offset expenses is to make themselves available to amateurs. As in:

Find a roommate for the event. Splitting the hotel costs offsets $380 for the full, 10-day Tunica package right there. As an amateur, I did that in 2012 in Tunica. It helped the guy's expenses out. I didn't nut-hug too much, but I got the chance to drink a beer and talk pool here and there. Learned thru osmosis. Got him to the table and he showed me 3-4 things, just in 15 minutes, that have stuck with me to this day.

Then, if they give some lessons to amateurs here and there, they could break even or better for the whole she-bang.

I paid a different pro last year $125 to spend 2 hours with me working on things. I even took him to a $25 dinner once to pick his brain a bit more.

Basically, with a single 2-hour lesson.....plus throwing him a nice dinner, the guy got his meals covered for about 5-6 days (that's $25 a day or $12.50 a meal, based on the fact that I generally ate twice a day there). I learned some things, so it was worth it to me. If a player did just 1 lesson a day at that event, they'd probably be money ahead by the time it was over, even if they didn't cash.

Now, if a pro or super strong amateur doesn't want to associate with players lower on the totem pole, then that's their choice. They either need to find a day job that pays their pool expenses (like us regular folk do) or get a corporate sponsor.

If they're not a good teacher.......find another pro or instructor who IS good at teaching and say........"Show me how to be a good instructor. I have things that I don't mind sharing with people, but I just don't know how to articulate or present it."

Now, if a pro is going to blow their wad in the casino, on hookers, eat steak twice a day, lose in bad match-up games.......then I have no sympathy for them.

I understand that there are these similiarities between amateurs and pro's at an event:

Hotel, food, transportation, entry fees. Those are the basics. You travel to an event. You get shelter. You get food. You compete in the event. ANYTHING else is frivilous and needs to be done within a budget based on THAT overall event and FUTURE ones.

The difference between the pro and the amateur is that when I go to work......I'm guaranteed a check. The pro is not. HOWEVER, I also have to work 50 hours a week at a job that I don't even like, just so I can play in my state pool league and a couple of big Open events a year.

I don't know any pro's, Shane included, that put 50 hours a week in playing pool. I asked Shane himself, in Tunica, how much he practices a day. He said 7-8 hours. I suppose if that were truly 7 days a week, then yes, he puts in over 50 hours. I know he also works out to increase performance and stamina for his pool career. You could even factor that in. Seems to me that he's doing it the right way. And guess what? Shane is at the top.

So, as a summation, and I can't even remember how this started, a pro should:

Put in an hour a day exercising.
Let's say 5 hours a day practicing.
2 hours a day giving lessons.

Boom, you have a nice 8 hour day.

Then they spend a couple of hours a day matching up/playing in tournaments.......which is where the rubber hits the road. They gamble only as much as they can afford to lose. They work their ass off to cash in the tourney.

I know it's the competitive nature of a pool player to live on the edge, but there's a price to be paid for living on that edge. It's called comfort and security. They push the envelope probably when they shouldn't and that allows them to have higher highs than most, but also lower lows.

But, with a budget and lifestyle managed correctly, a pro should be able to survive as well as any of us working stiffs.

Justin,
You're doing a lot of things right and it's hard to argue with your sage logic.
JoeyA
 
The above is a great post IMO. It should be a road map for the non-sponsored pro. Pros have plenty of time on their hands no matter what they say or what their groupie friends say. Most of these ideas only work well on paper, but this one has a very good chance of working well. IMO a lot of players are afraid to approach a pro to ask him/her about paid lessons. If a dozen or more pros started doing this at tournaments other players looking for lessons would see it and ask a pro about lessons. I hope some pros read the above road map for helping a pro make ends meet. I hope that thread finds its way on facebook where more pros and amateurs will read it. Johnnyt
 
Justin,

What was the deal with this kid talking about having a .45 Did he seriously aim a gun at you?



Selling bootlegs of other peoples works is childish. I held the printed emails and list of titles in my hand. It was a well known thing among those who produce content. Just because everything isn't on AZ doesnt mean it didn't happen.

Also see the post above. That 20K was there it was distributed differently. How do I know this? Because I actually talked to the guy who created the event. Who did you talk to?

If they filled their room block, made the hotel happy and decided it is worth doing again it was a success. If not then IMO it was not. Unless you have access to that information saying it was one or the other at this point is foolish.

I realize knowing what you are talking about is optional on the internet but you might consider it.
 
Justin,

What was the deal with this kid talking about having a .45 Did he seriously aim a gun at you?

This is how rumors start LOL.

From what I read, (I wasnt there and have no dog in this fight) the .45 and rivercitysledge helped get JCIN away fro the hall where a few of Frosts friends where waiting outside and the cops were on the way. So to answer your question, he didnt aim a gun at JCIN.
 
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100% not my goal to start any rumor, I've just not heard anyone in General talk about pool and a gun and the river person mentioned a .45 that's all I was asking about.

Sorry for any confusion.

This is how rumors start LOL.

From what I read, (I wasnt there and have no dog in this fight) the .45 and rivercitysledge helped get JCIN away fro the hall where a few of Frosts friends where waiting outside and the cops were on the way. So to answer your question, he didnt aim a gun at JCIN.
 
100% not my goal to start any rumor, I've just not heard anyone in General talk about pool and a gun and the river person mentioned a .45 that's all I was asking about.

Sorry for any confusion.

He didnt point a gun at me.
 
I’m an overrated 61 in the NAPA who lost both matches in the 8-Ball class B bracket. It was the largest with 190 players, paid $2300.00 for the 52 and 60 skilled play off, the 52 won first place. Was there all day Friday and Saturday, saw a lot of play and everybody seemed to know what & where to be. If you were winning, you were busy. Some time slots ran long and the tournament made adjustments. Being my first and having nothing to compare it to, I, we had a good time – experience. A team mate made it to the 6 - 9 positions, paid $225, 8-Ball class B bracket.
 
My Wife and I had a great time! Two things to look at though. The top of the railing at the TV table is right in my line of sight. Also, and I know it's an added expence, but maybe have the year on the Southern Classic Tee shirts. Maybe have a limited supply to see if it's a bigger seller. Like the Masters caps. I really love what Greg is doing for our sport! I enjoy his tournaments the most!
 
Forgot about the skeeters. Never bothered me, but they gave my Wife hell. She is a lot sweeter than me though.
 
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