Ways To Keep Your Dominant Eye, Dominant

JoeW said:
I determined where my head should be for my sight picture. Next, I determined where my chin should be relative to the cue stick. I always step into the shot placing my right foot and the cue stick on the shot line with my chin in the same place for every shot (yeah right). Well at least that is what I try to do.

I know there are others who teach different techniques but I find that when my chin is in the right place relative to the cue stick my eyes calculate relative to that position.

Works for me, your mileage may vary.
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That's what I do also. I actually touch my chin to the cue while in my set position to verify my head is in the same place for every shot. With elevated shots, if it isn't comfortable to touch my chin to the cue, I glance down with my eyes and make sure the cue is centered between the two images I see (with each eye) of my big nose. Sometimes there are advantages to being a big-nosed Italian.

For people who haven't yet found their personal "vision center" position to create the best "sight picture," they might want to check out the vision center resource page.

Regards,
Dave
 
Cornerman said:
I'm going to throw this out there. If we check a bunch of photos of great players, what percentage of them do we think we'd find have the cue over their dominant eye, their non-dominant (submissive?) eye or centered?

I'm seeing a lot of non-dom photos, some way out beyond the dom photos, and only a few centered.

Freddie <~~~ dominantly submissive
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Ok Fred. You've piqued my interest. It seems some players change their vision centers as they age. Not necessarily under their dominant eye, but off of and outside of their D eye. I am noticing a slight tendency to move the cue under my D eye as I increase the emphasis I give it in practice.

Possibly, I am refining my personal aiming technique and may notice even more change. As I stated before, I may be trying to find a way to stop my passive eye from having any chance of entering into the shot picture.

Best,
Mike
 
Cornerman said:
I'm going to throw this out there. If we check a bunch of photos of great players, what percentage of them do we think we'd find have the cue over their dominant eye, their non-dominant (submissive?) eye or centered?

I'm seeing a lot of non-dom photos, some way out beyond the dom photos, and only a few centered.

Freddie <~~~ dominantly submissive
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Fred, which players place their cue under their submissive eye? I'd like to study them. I've been looking for players like that for a long time and have never been able to find one who doesn't do it because of an eye pathology in their dominant eye.
 
AtLarge said:
Do you mean this for people who shoot with the cue between their eyes, or for people who shoot with the cue under their dominant eye, or for people who shoot with the cue outside their dominant eye, or for all?

Edit: And what is the rationale for doing it?
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I shoot under my dominate eye so i'll speak for that. I find its very important to make sure my dominate eye crosses the shot line, sometimes you get lazy and don't go into that exactness. That will lead very easily to inconsistent play and missing easy shots.
 
dr_dave said:
That's what I do also. I actually touch my chin to the cue while in my set position to verify my head is in the same place for every shot. With elevated shots, if it isn't comfortable to touch my chin to the cue, I glance down with my eyes and make sure the cue is centered between the two images I see (with each eye) of my big nose. Sometimes there are advantages to being a big-nosed Italian.

For people who haven't yet found their personal "vision center" position to create the best "sight picture," they might want to check out the vision center resource page.

Regards,
Dave
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Do you feel the cue has to be under your nose or centered under your chin for a person to find there vision center?
 
Im left eye dominate and right handed. I use to shoot under my left eye, but the brain works with perception from both eyes. You should try ditching the whole one eye concept and start shooting directing under your chin Using both eyes... My game has dramatically improved...
 
FranCrimi said:
Fred, which players place their cue under their submissive eye? I'd like to study them. I've been looking for players like that for a long time and have never been able to find one who doesn't do it because of an eye pathology in their dominant eye.
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If you do an image search in Google for:

Willie Mosconi

http://outrageousluxury.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Willie-Mosconi-copy-417x278.jpeg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/calsidyrose/3617706635/lightbox/


Dennis Orcollo
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/...lo-best-money-game-player-world-espn-magazine

Tony Robles
http://www.queensbuzz.com/pool-halls-in-jackson-heights-queens-cms-465-printer

Alex Pagulayan
http://behindsports.blogspot.com/2008/07/alex-pagulayan-reign-in-guinness-9-ball.html

There are photos of Rempe, Hopkins, Sigel like that, but not clearly enough from the head on to be certain.

I'm nearly 100% certain Ray Martin is normally submissive eye, but I can't find a good photo.

And every photo of Cisero http://www.newdeco.com/billiards/photos/Photo91.jpg

Adding Gabe Owens and Tony Drago.

Freddie <~~~ should be one of me from Rich R
 
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cookie man said:
dr_dave said:
That's what I do also. I actually touch my chin to the cue while in my set position to verify my head is in the same place for every shot. With elevated shots, if it isn't comfortable to touch my chin to the cue, I glance down with my eyes and make sure the cue is centered between the two images I see (with each eye) of my big nose. Sometimes there are advantages to being a big-nosed Italian.

For people who haven't yet found their personal "vision center" position to create the best "sight picture," they might want to check out the vision center resource page.
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Do you feel the cue has to be under your nose or centered under your chin for a person to find there vision center?
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My personal vision center happens to be exactly between my eyes, but this isn't the case for all people. That's why each personal needs to find their personal vision center, and be consistent with alignment.

Regards,
Dave
 
Slim Limpy said:
Dear Dr. Dave,

do you have any suggestions for my poor Uncle Bean who is trying to learn pool for the first time? He claims to have a "lazy eye" but all I think he needs is a good aiming system.

Any suggestions would most certainly be appreciated.
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I couldn't tell if you were serious or not due the "cyclops" image in your post; but if you are serious, I would suggest your uncle try the drill described in the video on the vision center resource page. Accurate and consistent alignment is important with aiming. Concerning an aiming method for a beginner, I would recommend simple ghost-ball aiming (e.g., using the trick in NV 3.2 - Using the cue to help visualize the required aiming line of a shot).

Regards,
Dave
 
Cornerman said:
If you do an image search in Google for:

Willie Mosconi

http://outrageousluxury.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Willie-Mosconi-copy-417x278.jpeg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/calsidyrose/3617706635/lightbox/


Dennis Orcollo
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/...lo-best-money-game-player-world-espn-magazine

Tony Robles
http://www.queensbuzz.com/pool-halls-in-jackson-heights-queens-cms-465-printer

Alex Pagulayan
http://behindsports.blogspot.com/2008/07/alex-pagulayan-reign-in-guinness-9-ball.html

There are photos of Rempe, Hopkins, Sigel like that, but not clearly enough from the head on to be certain.

I'm nearly 100% certain Ray Martin is normally submissive eye, but I can't find a good photo.

And every photo of Cisero http://www.newdeco.com/billiards/photos/Photo91.jpg

Adding Gabe Owens and Tony Drago.

Freddie <~~~ should be one of me from Rich R
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Fred, are you referring to a cross dominant eye, rather than a submissive eye?
 
In some snooker videos I've seen players down so low they actually touch the
stick with their chin. Do they touch on the same side as their dominant eye?
 
FranCrimi said:
Fred, are you referring to a cross dominant eye, rather than a submissive eye?
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Well I obviously can't do they eye test on them, so I am only assuming that they're opposite side is not dominant. I think it would be hard to believe that all of these players are cross dominant. It'd be easy enough to find out ( with Tony Robles for example).

More to the OP, I'm right eye dominant but any random non- staged photo will have the cue under my left. So maybe I'm your study, but you'd probably want a good player!

Freddie <~~~ in spite of all the bad
 
Mikjary said:
I could see :smile: how that may work. How about things like approaching the shot from either the left or right only, or turning your head as you aim/start your PSR? Some players blink their non D eye or even close it briefly to get the brain working right.

These are a few ways I've trained my mind, but I think there are lots more.

Best,
Mike
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There is some research showing that eye dominance can depend on lateral gaze angle; in the past when having sighting problems, I sometimes found it useful to turn my head away from the shot line in the direction of my non-dominant eye. Needs to be done before starting to get down. About 30 degrees seemed to work.
 
Siz said:
There is some research showing that eye dominance can depend on lateral gaze angle; in the past when having sighting problems, I sometimes found it useful to turn my head away from the shot line in the direction of my non-dominant eye. Needs to be done before starting to get down. About 30 degrees seemed to work.
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I turn my dominant eye (right) towards the shot to keep my other eye out of the picture. I approach the shot from the left to allow my right eye to see the shot first. If my left eye sees the shot, it will become the dominant eye and 95% of the time I will miss. rolleye0007.gif

Best,
Mike
 
Cornerman said:
Well I obviously can't do they eye test on them, so I am only assuming that they're opposite side is not dominant. I think it would be hard to believe that all of these players are cross dominant. It'd be easy enough to find out ( with Tony Robles for example).

More to the OP, I'm right eye dominant but any random non- staged photo will have the cue under my left. So maybe I'm your study, but you'd probably want a good player!

Freddie <~~~ in spite of all the bad
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I'm pretty sure Tony is posing in that photo. Once the player sees a camera pointed at them, they usually will give up focusing on the shot. If they're not in competition at that moment, they'll just pose. That's my experience, at least.

I have found that a cross-dominant eye is not entirely rare. I still haven't come across proof of a player without an eye pathology who shoots with their cue under their recessive eye.
 
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