You gonna get your feelings hurt by quite a few bullies, with that belief!
Weight needed for C-player against pro
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You gonna get your feelings hurt by quite a few bullies, with that belief!
Which part, APA 7 being a C player or the spot I think I can win with lol? I'd absolutely try it with the appropriate cash flow...yes easy to say it without backing it up. I am sure if a pro wanted to try me with this spot that I would have several interested backers. They total key is the break for me to win. If I don't scratch and control it, I control the outcome of the match. They can't put together a pack on me. they may runout every time I miss, which makes the break the key part for me at least.
I sense you will be soon visited by a small brown man who speaks little English and misses fewer balls.
Bring money!
As long as he brings US currency I don't mind that he speaks very little English. I do think the topic is interesting and of course like I said cash permitting I would absolutely put it to the test with what I said I needed (barbox, wild 5 and the break). BB, you don't happen to be a pro coming through town to try me some, are you???
If you will go to the Bar Box championships this coming week, u can get that spot from tons of players there. Some pros, some shortstops, even some top notch AA players. Take plenty of cash cause u gonna run out of it fast!
If u can't make it there then come to middle Tennessee and I will have some players lined up to give that spot to you.
I don't know you, so no dis-respect to ur game, but if your a true APA 7 or a true C player, then u can't win.........:thumbup2:
I saw a shortstop (great gambler) give a guy (APA 6) the 5,6, the last 4 and all the breaks in 9 ball and rob him.
The guys that are in this caliper of player aren't appreciated for what their level of play actually is.
Yep, getting the wild 5, break, ball in hand and losing, makes you a bad player anyway you look at it. As far as the big weight he got playing one pocket is a different thing. I have seen good players, who didn't play much one pocket, get 11-5 and lose to one pocket champions.
A well known top player here said he made a lot of scores giving shortstops the 8 and the break on baxboxes and busting them, and I can say in the 70's and 80's no one could give a shortstop the breaks on a barbox, much less the 8 and the break. Top players would get hot and call a shortstop a nit if he even asked for the break alone. This was on nap cloth where it was much tougher to make a ball on the break, compared to diamond tables with simonis cloth, where the break if even a bigger spot. Now I can see someone slug racking a player and shutting him down on the break for awhile, but I can't see him getting away with it long enough to beat a true shortstop. Back when I really played, the 7 was a pretty big spot for a top player to give a true shortstop.
The only time these huge spots are worth anything is if you can adjust the spot after you have lost a couple of bucks and just take away a "couple of things" that don't seem so huge. Up the bet while the sucker is ahead, adjust the spot in a way that doesn't seem huge but actually is, and freeze up a certain amount of cash for a guaranteed win. I completely agree with you about freezing up the cash, because when you hit a certain point the sucker could just duck.
No disrespect taken bud. It's a conversation and interesting topic. I am unable to travel and would have to talk to my backers as I am sure no pro is going to want to come here to do this unless it is for a decent amount. Please remember guys that I am talking barbox not big table (huge difference for me at least), the wild 5, and all the breaks. No "outs". I am having a hard time wondering why so many people think this spot is still easy money for the pros. I see plenty of people my skill level play well enough to break and get to the 5, or get out when they get an opportunity. Now for the cash might be a different scenario of course.
I've played pool on and off for about 17 years now. Many years ago as an example I played this spot with an elite 9 ball player here in Des Moines who will remain nameless and absolutely destroyed him. After a few sets we had to change the spot and he took away the break...big difference and he ended up winning the next 3-4 sets. This was a long time ago where I didn't play as good as I can now (don't play much but still haven't totally lost it).
Like I said before the C player or APA 7 can be different things in different states. I'm not bragging or boasting...just saying I really believe IF I control my break with this spot the pros do not stand a chance...but once again easy to say without posting the cash and getting it on.
I've been around the game long enough, seen enough pros in action to truly appreciate how good they are. I also match up VERY well and have my own life not trapping myself in bad games. Please do not assume just because I "think" I will win with that spot that I am not appreciating them because this is far from the case. They are in a league of their own!
See Cleary's earlier post...he has seen him live and says he is better than a C player. I have only read the stories on multiple forums for what it is worth. Also one pocket big spots are different than 9 ball big spots...two different games. At least in one pocket with the big spot the pro is still ALWAYS going to get to the table...not necessarily true in 9 ball.
Now subtract two to three more balls from it and lower it clear down to the 5...get someone who doesn't just piss pound the break with no control and can shoot (a little bit at least)...a lot harder to fade imo.
Yeah I had to adjust the spot when I destroyed the elite player many years ago...didn't turn out so well for sure for me then. I will say that the guys that try some people with those big spots definitely got some gamble!
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Yes people are much nittier now. I'm giving a guy all the breaks and the 7 ball in 9 ball on a barbox just to get him to play. He should be getting the last 2 or the called 8, but I need to stay in action. People learn that and ask for the nuts.
Problem is when you beat them giving it up, then what? They ask for more.
I get a guy down $200-$400 in a fair game and they want to adjust because they are down money? That's what we are playing for right, each other's money? If they didn't step up with their best game too bad. I try to get people to play best of 3 or 5 sets for X amount of money, so thay can't play these games. Silly to play all night and break even, never made any sense to me to do that.