23DenaliBDE
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I forgot to put you on ignore. Fortunately I’m capable of fixing my mistake as opposed to you, who will continue on as normal
What a tool!!!
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smiling_Hans
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Too bad we won't be interacting. Enjoy the safe space.
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Except that historically it is. 10ball as conceived and as played for at least 40 years was EXACTLY 9ball with another ball. Yes, this has been modified over the last decade or so in tournament play but not, in my opinion, to the game of 10ball's advantage.
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Yes not sure why folks here keeping saying he called foul when there was none
I think players explicitly call 10 ball even if it is obvious may be partly due to this Biado v Pupul in a Manny Pacquiao tournament some time ago
At 1:52:40 Hill hill, Biado did not call obvious direct 10 ball
Lost match cos the tournament had silly must call 10 ball even obvious ones.
No problem, fella. We're all learning new things around here.
She didn't call.
Yea, things have changed some over the years, even very very recently.. last BCA team I was on was 4 yrs ago.. Heck, as with many other people in that fakebook thread I thought it was ball in hand on that combo foul when its only loss of turn..lol.
Thats new too.. I'm getting too old and will stop posting now.....
I played BCA all the way back in the 80's in Colorado High Country Pool League.
Some of the BCA and APA rules back in the 80s would be deemed really crazy these days. The Busch patch was the first APA before Bud Light.
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soyale
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something to consider is that also historically, for example, balls used to spot in 9 ball. Does that mean it should have stayed that way forever? Should we still be playing rollout just because that is how it was done for many years? sometimes over time games change and evolve. in most every sport there have been changes to the rules to better suit the game.
In my opinion texas express 10 ball has very little reason to exist. My understanding is that the point of it was a tougher break than the guaranteed wing ball in 9b. I am also of the opinion that call shot is a good rule for 8 ball and doesn’t take anything away from it. I think call shot gives 10 ball a reason to exist, differentiating it from 9 ball enough to provide an entirely different game to the list of games that players can choose from.
does texas express 10 ball provide you with more entertainment than 9 ball? it just feels a little redundant to me i suppose.
I'm wondering a few things about culture. Could go either way and I haven't looked at his international experience. Leaves some questions if culture had an impact.
I did look up Savannah. The little lady has been a take no prisoners killer on a pool table since the ripe old age of eleven. For starters, she ranked tenth WPBA last year. Buncha championships too. She has done more than many twice her age. Which kinda hurts her in this instance. She should have known better, probably did, but fell into the pitfall of what is usually accepted.
Taking a look at her accomplishments this is barely a bump in the road and she will learn from it.
A snapshot of the young lady's accomplishments: https://www.roadrunnerindustries.com/accomplishments
smiling_Hans
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I said this before she will most likely become pro as she gets older. She isn't some kid we're playing at our weekly tournaments, where the parents think its cute to have their kid play grown men. Feels awkward beating a kid that isn't good in front of their parents and if you lose its embarrassing.
With that said she is a great prodigy and still a minor. She is competing against men where pool is their livelihood.
Dang Hoang is a Vietnamese professional player.
Typical white American Karen family. LOL I think we've seen these videos play out where parents are arguing and fighting at their kids volleyball game. The parents should turn this event into a positive lesson. Trust me she won't forget to call her shot again and move on. Instead the parents going crazy and she didn't shake hands. I believe she may be a brat.
I can believe some people are defending this guy. It's a really terrible way to win. It's using the rulebook to defeat your opponent rather than to outplay them. Especially since it was an obvious combo shot. The same type of thing happened to me years ago. I played in a local weekly 8 ball tournament that used APA rules. I wasn't even an APA player but that's irrelevant. It was hill hill and I had a straight in 8 ball for my last shot and pointed to my pocket, and my opponent called a foul on me after I made the shot. He said I didn't mark the pocket. I had forgot to place some type of object next to the pocket I was aiming for, which was the APA rules back then. He said the rules are the rules, and I said you really want to win this way. And he sure enough did. For me I would rather lose every match I play in, than win on some stupid technicality like that.
I don't know enough to say but if that was her parents caught on a hot mike I would say that she is maturing quite well on her own. I think it is a mistake to not shake hands without much more cause than she had here. When I shake hands after a match it can be anything from little more than a fingertip touch to a firm clasp and several real pumps. The various token handshakes keep protocol intact while making enough of a statement.
She flew to seventeen cities last year not considering whatever she didn't have to fly for. She is playing as a pro regardless of age. I'm not real crazy about that, I like to let kids be kids. However at this point she should be having some sayso in where her life is going.
If she doesn't burn out she seems to have the potential to be a major star. A lot of great playing youngsters get sidetracked so we will have to wish her well and wait and see. She has some serious sponsors and is no doubt always shopping for more. She doesn't need a reputation as prima donna or diva.
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Actually, that's mostly only true for pre-nine-ball-era play in which there was no TV coverage. That type of nine ball was abandoned in tournament play over forty years ago because it slowed down the game too much for it to be watchable on TV.
Yes, that's accurate. It was adopted by the PBT (Pro Billiards Tour) in 1998 for that very reason and the game was played with Texas Express rules.
Me too, but it's a good game without it, too. In England, an 8ball rack doesn't even have numbers on the balls, so there is no call shot. I'm not sure their version of eight ball is in any way inferior to the American way. FYI, it's the game that gave us both Appleton and Shaw.
A reasonable point of view for sure, but not mine. It 10ball fell off the face of the earth, I wouldn't be bothered by it in the least.
Similar level of entertainment, except the runouts are just slightly tougher in 10ball.
Thanks for these very well considered remarks.
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smiling_Hans
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We should probably address the elephant in the room and that this supposed "nit " is Vietnamese. Meaning he is from East Asia and no surprise the best player in the world, to many, is from Taiwan. Asias dominance have shined a negative light amongst pool fans.
If this was SVB her parents, "Oh Savannah you know better to call your shot. Now go and shake Shane's hands and go take a picture with him."
She would get an autograph and SVB may even give her something out of his cue case as a souvenir and she will ask him to sign multiple items.
Asian pool player: well we got to see what we saw on the video. Did anyone hear any racial slurs?
If this was SVB her parents, "Oh Savannah you know better to call your shot. Now go and shake Shane's hands and go take a picture with him."
She would get an autograph and SVB may even give her something out of his cue case as a souvenir and she will ask him to sign multiple items.
Asian pool player: well we got to see what we saw on the video. Did anyone hear any racial slurs?
This has been an interesting thread just to get the range of peoples takes and opinions on it.
I had my initial reaction and now, looking back and having read more views, I think my take has softened a little. I still don't think it was a good move but I can see other perspectives a little too.
I think partly my take comes from being someone who just doesn't want to win that way. I don't have that killer mindset, win by any means within the rules I can. I'm more about having fun and improving as a player and enjoying good competition. In a local weekly tournament not too long ago I was playing someone and we were well matched skill wise. He was at the table and his tip brushed the cue ball during a practice stroke. I didn't even see it, but he called it on himself. I told him to stay at the table and shoot his shot, ball didn't appear to move to me and I didn't want to win that way. He was surprised. I'd do it again too. At the same time, I'm also always calling that on myself and taking my seat.
Sometimes though I wish I had more of a killer mindset, I'd be a better competitor for it I think. And so I can see for someone who is a pro and is playing to earn or at least supplement an income, playing strictly by the rules and taking the advantages that affords is all part of that mindset.
And I did get a little sucked into the "but she's a young kid" mindset. Which is true, but as has also been pointed out she's a touring pro as well. And if I'm being honest, I feel like I would have called the combo 100% of the time even when playing with my close friend who would never ever call me on it. I always call every combo every time. Surprised she doesn't as well, she should and if this incident teaches her that it's a worthwhile lesson.
I still don't like the call, wouldn't ever have done it myself. But I also think the guy has been overly vilified here (including by me) and I'm sure elsewhere. And the parents reaction and their posting of it is still the worst part of the whole thing I think, it went too far.
I had my initial reaction and now, looking back and having read more views, I think my take has softened a little. I still don't think it was a good move but I can see other perspectives a little too.
I think partly my take comes from being someone who just doesn't want to win that way. I don't have that killer mindset, win by any means within the rules I can. I'm more about having fun and improving as a player and enjoying good competition. In a local weekly tournament not too long ago I was playing someone and we were well matched skill wise. He was at the table and his tip brushed the cue ball during a practice stroke. I didn't even see it, but he called it on himself. I told him to stay at the table and shoot his shot, ball didn't appear to move to me and I didn't want to win that way. He was surprised. I'd do it again too. At the same time, I'm also always calling that on myself and taking my seat.
Sometimes though I wish I had more of a killer mindset, I'd be a better competitor for it I think. And so I can see for someone who is a pro and is playing to earn or at least supplement an income, playing strictly by the rules and taking the advantages that affords is all part of that mindset.
And I did get a little sucked into the "but she's a young kid" mindset. Which is true, but as has also been pointed out she's a touring pro as well. And if I'm being honest, I feel like I would have called the combo 100% of the time even when playing with my close friend who would never ever call me on it. I always call every combo every time. Surprised she doesn't as well, she should and if this incident teaches her that it's a worthwhile lesson.
I still don't like the call, wouldn't ever have done it myself. But I also think the guy has been overly vilified here (including by me) and I'm sure elsewhere. And the parents reaction and their posting of it is still the worst part of the whole thing I think, it went too far.
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They didn't both go in so what are you talking about?
You are correct. I misspoke saying it’s a foul. Either way it’s a hard lesson for her to learn but I couldn’t have been the asshole to call it on her lol maybe you could. But it’s why I always out of habit I call banks and combos no matter how obvious