What cue stroke are you using?
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That's a pretty tough job to do unless you have access to high speed equipment. We can only draw conclusions with the footage we now have (Thank you Mr. Bob Jewett!).
That was back in '98. It showed a relatively small increment of time that the cue tip actually contacted the cue ball. We drew some info from that and it's been the gospel for almost 15 years.
I'd like to see some updated info and the stroke mechanically investigated. Not just tip contact time. Put a Larry Nevel in there (although rumor has it he hurt his shoulder) or a Mike Massey. I'm sure their 1/1000th of a second is quite a bit different on video than mine. :grin-square:
Until then, I'm all for discussions that open the door to what ifs.
Best,
Mike
Hold your breath & wait like you made me wait for days for you to answer such a simple question that was asked multiple times & then answer it so far out from when it was asked that the point is lost & then only because you think it is going to obligate me to respond to you AND that is only one of several rather simple questions you refused to answer when we were SUPPOSEDLY having a CIVIL discussion.
I was keeping an open mind regarding you but you have more than burned your bridge.
And now you want to completely change the discussion & set a parameter that has nothing to do with whether or not randyG's assertion is correct or not. What does contact time have to do with whether or not his assertion is correct or not?
Don't answer because the question was not for you but for the readership.
I don't care what you expect. Who knows? Maybe I'll answer you as a Christmas present.
About 18 years ago at the US open 9 ball tourney I had a nice talk with Steve Mizerak. He was promoting a slip on cue extension. A simple plastic tube that extended the cue so you could reach those shots instead of a mechanical bridge. His opinion was it was easier for you to be over your cue using the same stroke that you normally play with as opposed to being behind your cue with a bridge stroking with a different muscle group. If you think about it when using the bridge with the proper technique is the only time you are using your triceps to stroke, and you are truly pushing the cue because you are behind the whole cue.
Today it is a very common device and you typically see the better players use a cue extension instead of a bridge.
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Today it is a very common device and you typically see the better players use a cue extension instead of a bridge.
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That would be great. I'm not saying that Rick can't be right, but he's not with the current information that's out there.
If it can't be shown that the piston stroke increases contact time, by a large margin, I must add. Then he's simply subscribing to a belief based on what works for him and not any facts. I have no problems with him using the piston stroke or consulting others that are interested in using it. The problem I have (and others I'm sure) is that he constantly preaches about it's "superiority." When in reality, they are both equals when performed correctly.
That delete had nothing to do with you.
Don't worry if I WANT to say something I'll say it. But your childish tactics won't get me to answer you IF I don't want to & I don't because you've shown your true colors.
I'll answer anyways because I'm a nice guy.
I have no idea what randyg was referring to when he mentioned the "sweet spot"
It doesn't really matter though, because once again, what happens after contact is irrelevant. I know you disagree, so show me some facts. I'm almost to the point of begging now.
Just think about it for a second. You could break new ground in the world of pool physics.
I've got my timer set.
That would be interesting to see on super slo mo. Your right it would be nice to revisit that study.
I have seen them both in person and I have played Mike Massey. They are both big men very strong, and can generate a a lot of speed with there back arm and can hit very low on the cueball with that speed.
For what it is worth, with all of Mikes talent he is still constrained by the table conditions for his impressive draw stroke the same that we are.
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If you did not & don't even know the issue why were you even in the discussion?
Sorry, You have drank too much 'Kool Aide' & exhibit a closed mind & your childish tactics are insulting. I have no inclination to waist my time with you in futility. For when you hit the limits you will back off & be replaced by someone else. I thought someone else was the bait but it turned out to be you.
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Correct sir. That sweet, sweet Kool Aide full of nutritious facts and a healthy dose of video evidence.
What did you bring to the picnic? I'm awfully thirsty.
I started to give you an answer & then you leave.
Did you have to go ask someone what to do?
I'm done with you.
If you sincerely want my 'opinion', which I doubt, go search my posts. It's in there, multiple times, I'm sure.
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I already know your opinion. I want you to provide facts to back up your opinion.
Obviously it's not going to happen tonight, nor anytime in the foreseeable future.
Have a good night, Rick.
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Rick, is there anyone here that you haven't gotten into arguments with?
I learned a new thing here on the forums the other day. Someone said a situation being discussed might be an example of the 3 assholes rule. When another poster asked what that meant, the person explained that if there were 3 (or more) people in the room who you think is an asshole, you are probably one too.
Yay, you have been playing for 47 years.
Yay, you have your beliefs about pool fundamentals.
Yay, you think other members here are wrong.
State you opinion and move the fvck on. What is your obsession with keeping this stupid shit going?
I learned a new thing here on the forums the other day. Someone said a situation being discussed might be an example of the 3 assholes rule. When another poster asked what that meant, the person explained that if there were 3 (or more) people in the room who you think is an asshole, you are probably one too.
Yay, you have been playing for 47 years.
Yay, you have your beliefs about pool fundamentals.
Yay, you think other members here are wrong.
State you opinion and move the fvck on. What is your obsession with keeping this stupid shit going?
Epic win pendulum
Good question. I think it tend to just let my forearm hang there like so much mutton lettuce and tomato sammich (ya know the kind where the mutton is nice and lean) for shots that are out in the open and I'm not on a rail or shooting over a ball or curving around some idiots ball or absolutely spearing the cue ball to get shape from 8 feet away.... yeah pendulum is a pure winning stroke...
Cept for those instances I just named.
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Love n skittles
Good question. I think it tend to just let my forearm hang there like so much mutton lettuce and tomato sammich (ya know the kind where the mutton is nice and lean) for shots that are out in the open and I'm not on a rail or shooting over a ball or curving around some idiots ball or absolutely spearing the cue ball to get shape from 8 feet away.... yeah pendulum is a pure winning stroke...
Cept for those instances I just named.
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Love n skittles
I'm one guy being bombarded by several in this thread by Sean, Neil, Tony, & now Jon. You see me 4 times for every once that you see one of them.
You see a false appearance. It may look like me perpetuating it but that is really not the case. They employ a gang bullying tactic. 'I'll hit him here, you hit him there.'
In the other thread it was the same.
I did not even bring this topic here. I did not perpetuate it but I do or DID respond until I put Neil, Sean, & Tony on ignore. Now it's Jon. Look how hard he pressed when I tried to let it die.
It is they that will not quit until I leave, don't express my opinion or make a mistake & get another suspension. If I put Jon on ignore, someone else will pick up 'their' mantle. Who knows it might even be you.
All I did was ask for an explanation for what randyG asserted about the tip moving straight/level for several inches. Bob Jewitt's charting of the tip movement for a fixed elbow stroke does not support that.
Now Jon wants me to prove that the tip stays in contact longer with a piston stroke vs a pendulum stroke. Who ever said that, not me.
Now may I ask you why do you care what is discussed? Are you the next 'installment'? Do you think that implying that I am an a**h^^^ is a good way to start a conversation? Are you friends with Sean?
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Wow! Hey Rick- hang in there dude! You have my sympathy with this bombardment of unjust ,unwarranted, and ignorant attacks. I happen to use the pure pendulum stroke exclusively, but if you or others have different ideas I want to hear them and you were doing a pretty good job managing an intelligent discussion before they started circling your wagon. Even if I disagree with you, what works for me might not work for you and visa versa. So your not a big fan of traditional instruction in some ways. IMO you seem to provide very good reasons for this point of view and your detractors don't seem to want to approach these issues with reason. They're just stuck in their ways. They also seem to attack your character. Since when is reasonableness a character fault? When the person who is attacking possesses none of it and is jealous of a person who does.
Don't pay any attention to Mahna Mahna. That post was just plain asinine. As I said, I use the pendulum stroke exclusively. I'm not an authority on the alternatives. That's why I didn't chime in with any opinions. If I was an authority and If I disagreed with you strongly, you seem, as apposed to your detractors, to be a guy willing to listen to opposing opinions with respect as long as the other guy is of the same mindset and I'm sure we would have nice debate that people could learn from. I was learning a few things for a while. Unfortunately, because of your detractors, it was just for a while.
Don't pay any attention to Mahna Mahna. That post was just plain asinine. As I said, I use the pendulum stroke exclusively. I'm not an authority on the alternatives. That's why I didn't chime in with any opinions. If I was an authority and If I disagreed with you strongly, you seem, as apposed to your detractors, to be a guy willing to listen to opposing opinions with respect as long as the other guy is of the same mindset and I'm sure we would have nice debate that people could learn from. I was learning a few things for a while. Unfortunately, because of your detractors, it was just for a while.
It amazes me how people can read the written word on a thread and come up with two different viewpoints.
For my part I had 3 interactions with Sir Knowastroke calling on him to prove one of his ridiculous statements. It is my fault I let him off the hook, and I should have asked for an apology but didn't knowing how it will inflame him further. So having him on ignore means I don't have to engage in his online fantasy.
When he suggests that instructors are misleading there clients I take professional issue to that. When he states he got pm s from folks who now have buyers remorse from learning a pendulum stroke system , and names them does he think no one will check on this? I did TALK on the phone yesterday to one of the azers mentioned and he had NO CLUE what Rick is talking about. So what else is he doing here, is he so intent to make his point that he now LIES about his conversations so support his own agenda?
As far as I am concerned this thread was over the second Neil provided the video evidence that he has been railing about.
He will still refuse to believe it because his ego won't allow it. He says he has an open mind, hardly. He is feeling the same heat he has given instructors since he first joined. Explanations are lost on him, videos provided over and over and over ignored or picked apart. I think some have wised up and now ask him to prove that of which he speaks. He has to fish or cut bait and he does not like it one little bit.
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For my part I had 3 interactions with Sir Knowastroke calling on him to prove one of his ridiculous statements. It is my fault I let him off the hook, and I should have asked for an apology but didn't knowing how it will inflame him further. So having him on ignore means I don't have to engage in his online fantasy.
When he suggests that instructors are misleading there clients I take professional issue to that. When he states he got pm s from folks who now have buyers remorse from learning a pendulum stroke system , and names them does he think no one will check on this? I did TALK on the phone yesterday to one of the azers mentioned and he had NO CLUE what Rick is talking about. So what else is he doing here, is he so intent to make his point that he now LIES about his conversations so support his own agenda?
As far as I am concerned this thread was over the second Neil provided the video evidence that he has been railing about.
He will still refuse to believe it because his ego won't allow it. He says he has an open mind, hardly. He is feeling the same heat he has given instructors since he first joined. Explanations are lost on him, videos provided over and over and over ignored or picked apart. I think some have wised up and now ask him to prove that of which he speaks. He has to fish or cut bait and he does not like it one little bit.
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Doing something different?
I use a pendulum stroke and always have. I do have friend who warms up that way but his last stroke he drops the shoulder or does something different and he admits it but cant seem to stop it and it gives him trouble. I will stick to my routine.
I use a pendulum stroke and always have. I do have friend who warms up that way but his last stroke he drops the shoulder or does something different and he admits it but cant seem to stop it and it gives him trouble. I will stick to my routine.
Please list what you have learned. Seriously. It has to be from Rick, because the rest of us are nothing more than detractors to you.