What Differnce Does the Tip Make for Your Game

Dakota Cues said:
I have not noticed this yet.

Here's a question for you though: When you have them installed, do you take any layers off? I like about 2 layers off mine, and then shaped to a dime radius.
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Yes, I have about 1/2 the tip whacked off right off the bat. BUT, and I say this just semi-kiddingly, I have them installed upside down. And the reason for this is that Guido once told me, after I asked him to cut down a newly installed tip, "Well, OK. But you do know the magic of these tips are in the top layers."

It didn't occur to me at the time to even consider he was being serious and/or that the top layers might be different from the bottom layers but when I got home I started wondering why "the bottom" of these tips were so identified. I mean, there must be a reason for that, right? So just to be on the safe side I install them upside down :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
manwon said:
I use a different method that also works well for Elkmaster tips. I put them in a vise and tighten it up as tight as possible by hand, and then take a hammer and tighten it as far as it will go. The next day without relieving any pressure I again pound it with a hammer, I do this for a total of 5 days and each day I get a Little more compression out of that tip when I finally open the vise there is a real tip.
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Are you compressing them dry or are you soaking them? I did the above mentioned compressing with Elkmasters that had been soaked 24 hours in milk (ah yes, the infamous Milk Dud!), and after 3 days of compressing them by tightening the vice daily, the tips that came out of the vise were about the thickness of a 50-cent piece and had the circumference of a penny :eek:. They made a great tip for breaking as they were hard, but just not enough tip thickness to suit me for a playing cue. So, was my vise to powerful or do you soak them dry???

Maniac
 
This is terribly unscientific but years ago I purchased my first Moori Med. (old version) I'd been playing with some off brand hard layered tip for years. I made the deal at a 3C Regional Tournament so I was in dead stroke except for the flu or something. Got back home, had the Moori put on and I was shocked plus disappointed I didn't have them for the tourney. I had the feeling at the time it raised my game 10% or more. But that was probably all in my head.

Don't use moori's anymore but stuck on layered tips. Another head game probably.
 
Interesting...

lfigueroa said:
Yes, I have about 1/2 the tip whacked off right off the bat. BUT, and I say this just semi-kiddingly, I have them installed upside down. And the reason for this is that Guido once told me, after I asked him to cut down a newly installed tip, "Well, OK. But you do know the magic of these tips are in the top layers."

It didn't occur to me at the time to even consider he was being serious and/or that the top layers might be different from the bottom layers but when I got home I started wondering why "the bottom" of these tips were so identified. I mean, there must be a reason for that, right? So just to be on the safe side I install them upside down :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Wow, I've never heard that before. I sent John (Kamuitips) a PM to see if there is any science behind this. I'll post what he says on here.

Thanks for the info though!
 
i used the kamui ss last and now I am trying the original moori soft. In my humble opinion, the kamui is the most consistent and less force to get what I want out of my stroke..... I will go back to the kamui ss.
 
Maniac said:
Are you compressing them dry or are you soaking them? I did the above mentioned compressing with Elkmasters that had been soaked 24 hours in milk (ah yes, the infamous Milk Dud!), and after 3 days of compressing them by tightening the vice daily, the tips that came out of the vise were about the thickness of a 50-cent piece and had the circumference of a penny :eek:. They made a great tip for breaking as they were hard, but just not enough tip thickness to suit me for a playing cue. So, was my vise to powerful or do you soak them dry???

Maniac
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I am pressing them dry, I think that soaking them first would alter the tip too much due to the soft nature of Elkmaster tips.

Take care
 
lfigueroa said:
So, excluding break cue tips:

How much of a difference do you think using your favoritest tip on your playing cue makes -- as far as how well you play -- compared to your least favorite tip?

And, why do you think it is so?

Lou Figueroa
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My favorite tip as of now is the Kamui Black Med-Soft. Before this, I was strictly a Mori Medium kinda guy. I'm not one to try a lot of different tips. If I use a tip and feel confident with it (ie low miscue rate) then I'm happy.
 
lfigueroa said:
Yes, I have about 1/2 the tip whacked off right off the bat. BUT, and I say this just semi-kiddingly, I have them installed upside down. And the reason for this is that Guido once told me, after I asked him to cut down a newly installed tip, "Well, OK. But you do know the magic of these tips are in the top layers."

It didn't occur to me at the time to even consider he was being serious and/or that the top layers might be different from the bottom layers but when I got home I started wondering why "the bottom" of these tips were so identified. I mean, there must be a reason for that, right? So just to be on the safe side I install them upside down :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Have you considered cutting the bottom half off ( discarding it) and then installing the remaining part? That way if the playing part of the tip is designed for ball contact, it may work as designed.
 
Lou's upside down theory...

lfigueroa said:
Yes, I have about 1/2 the tip whacked off right off the bat. BUT, and I say this just semi-kiddingly, I have them installed upside down. And the reason for this is that Guido once told me, after I asked him to cut down a newly installed tip, "Well, OK. But you do know the magic of these tips are in the top layers."

It didn't occur to me at the time to even consider he was being serious and/or that the top layers might be different from the bottom layers but when I got home I started wondering why "the bottom" of these tips were so identified. I mean, there must be a reason for that, right? So just to be on the safe side I install them upside down :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Here's John's response...


Kamuitipsdotcom said:
We have no reason to put better leather on the bottom layers or worse leather on the bottom layers. What we pride ourselves on is the consistency of our leather and how stable it is in different weather conditions.

Kamui Japan is "straight up" with science and leather. All joking aside, we are never satisfied with the products we produce.

Enjoy your weekend!

John
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9BallPaul said:
I prefer Elkmaster medium tips, but frequently use my scuffer and Tip-Pik to keep them chalked. And the Elkmaster is a little cheaper. My guy does them for $11, and usually not more than twice a year.

Can't stand super hard tips.
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With everything that's out there now vs 40 yrs ago when I was playing, my thought was to try different tips until I find what I like for me. I used to change my own with the little clamp that I'm surprised is still out there. Is that still recommended or has the tip changing process gotten so technical and complicated that it needs a professional? I'm still working on soft, medium or hard so I obviously have a long way to go.
 
Doing that many tip changes, you should be able to answer. I haven't done it in 30 + years but just getting back into the game. With all the different tips out there now, I'd like to fool around and try most. Has technology gone beyond do it yourself? I noticed the clamp in one of the mags and still surprised that hasn't changed. I'd just like to try a bunch and see if anything feels better to me than what I have. Thanks.
 
Need a little help from a newbie to the forum. Posted replies early this am about tips and have not seen what I posted. What am I doing wrong?

Now I'm really confused, the earlier posts are here.
 
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3kushn said:
This is terribly unscientific but years ago I purchased my first Moori Med. (old version) I'd been playing with some off brand hard layered tip for years. I made the deal at a 3C Regional Tournament so I was in dead stroke except for the flu or something. Got back home, had the Moori put on and I was shocked plus disappointed I didn't have them for the tourney. I had the feeling at the time it raised my game 10% or more. But that was probably all in my head.

Don't use moori's anymore but stuck on layered tips. Another head game probably.
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I think the reason I'm stuck on the layered tips is that, generally speaking, I find them more consistent from tip to tip, than the non-layered.

Lou Figueroa
 
bulletjr said:
i used the kamui ss last and now I am trying the original moori soft. In my humble opinion, the kamui is the most consistent and less force to get what I want out of my stroke..... I will go back to the kamui ss.
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Yes, that's where I am -- Kamui black SS.

Lou Figueroa
 
i4pool said:
My favorite tip as of now is the Kamui Black Med-Soft. Before this, I was strictly a Mori Medium kinda guy. I'm not one to try a lot of different tips. If I use a tip and feel confident with it (ie low miscue rate) then I'm happy.
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I think that's it -- how confident you feel playing with any particular tip.

Lou Figueroa
 
Tennesseejoe said:
Have you considered cutting the bottom half off ( discarding it) and then installing the remaining part? That way if the playing part of the tip is designed for ball contact, it may work as designed.
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Do you know how hard it is to cut a tip perfectly in half? (IOW, I've tried, but it's too tough to do. Maybe I could design some sort of pool tip bagel slicer holder thingie :-)

Actually though, I just install them upside down and do remove the top half or so.

Lou Figueroa
 
Greg Buban said:
Need a little help from a newbie to the forum. Posted replies early this am about tips and have not seen what I posted. What am I doing wrong?

Now I'm really confused, the earlier posts are here.
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Yes, the clamp is still out there, but IME you really don't need it. I have good success using Tweetens, letting the glue get tacky, pressing on the tip, holding and centering it by hand, and then turning the whole cue upside down and putting it in a corner overnight. Never had a tip come off this way.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
I think the reason I'm stuck on the layered tips is that, generally speaking, I find them more consistent from tip to tip, than the non-layered.

Lou Figueroa
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You're probably right until the mfg. decides to change something. Speculating that the layers helps hide the inconsistancies in the hides. The stack sort of averages things out.
 
Lou,

It makes a huge difference in my game.....I grew up with soft tips from cheap housecues and have mostly used a softer tip.....I don't like the feel, hit, sound, and anything else about hard tips.....my game drops quite a bit with a change.....also, with english, I learned to play out near the edge of the ball.....in my experience, harder tips didn't seem to allow me to contact the ball that far out, causing more miscues....

So, in short, the tip is a BIG deal to me....bigger than the difference of a conventional shaft to that of an LD shaft.....I play an OB, but I would rather play a house cue with a nice, soft tip than a OB with a hard tip....
 
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