What do the Top Players in the World AIM at?
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Unless of course you studied the subject and then you would be able to answer in terms of the physiology and neuroscience behind walking. If you're an anthropologist/evolutionary biologis then perhaps you can explain walking from an evolutionary standpoint.
I tend to agree though that most pros don't put a lot of thought into aiming per se once they have the way they like to play down pat.
I am however still in the camp that does not believe that aiming is particularly "natural". I think that it is something that does come easier to some people than others but none the less is still a skill that must be practiced and perfected.
Back to walking though. There is a group of people who do study walking and have found the best possible way to walk quickly, race walkers. And also shoe makers. And the same applies to running. I am sure that if you asked runners and race-walkers about the science of those activities then many of them could in fact tell you the underlying science.
Whether pool pros could, or whether they really know what they are aiming at is something I don't know. I do know that IF Efren or Rodney or any other top player were to tell me what they aim at then I would certainly listen and try it out. Well in fact some have and I have and it works for me.
Now if only I could figure out how to get Buddy Hall's stroke......
I'm going to add one more post.Buried in this thread is one of the best gems I have found on AZB. Not the best, but one of them. I am not going to give it away on what it is. For those interested, STUDY this thread, and you will find it. IMHO, if you aren't willing to really search for it, you don't deserve to get it for free. IMO, it is good enough to require some effort on your part.
(Hint- it's not in one of my posts ) There's only a couple people that I will give it to privately, and I believe they know who they are)
What? I am off your Christmas list now? Do you need my full name?
For sure every player aims. And pros just played/trained/ so many balls a hundred thousand of times, that the angles and pictures of situations are just burned in. So it perhaps seems to some ppl that they re not aiming. No matter what kind of system they used to use when they begin-it became just to be used unconsiously- that s the key. Our brain is just working with pictures/images-just to choose the right one at the right time is the art of aiming.
lg
Ingo
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Ingo
Actually we are NOT content with not being able to describe things like touching your nose, hitting a baseball, walking, which is why all of those things have been and continue to be studied and written about.
We can't leave the aiming alone because a lot of people actually have trouble with it despite the seeming simplicity.
What are the factors in missing a ball?
Improper Aiming and Deflection.
How do you KNOW which one was the problem when you miss a ball.
So it seems to me that aiming is a big deal since if your aim is off then you had better hope that you are lucky enough to throw the cue ball back on to the proper line so it can contact the object ball at the right spot.
People forget that in pool - as opposed to just about all other sports and activities - you are aiming a stick towards a ball to direct that ball to hit another ball in a certain direction. So you have to control two spheres.
Yes, they are inert until you interact with them. But the factors which come into play are still many. Your own skill at picking the correct line, your own ability to hit the ball where you should in a straight line, the conditions of the table, elasticity of the balls, friction, lighting conditions, distractions, etc.......
Maybe it's the very fact that the shooter is not asked to react as they are when a baseball is coming towards them or they are running down the track, or propelling themselves forward down a city street avoiding obstacles, that causes so much tension and indecision.
I wonder what pool would be like if it were played on a five or ten second second shot clock? Would it be better or worse?
I think better. But then I like to play fast and get in a good quick rhythm.
"...I am however still in the camp that does not believe that aiming is particularly "natural". I think that it is something that does come easier to some people than others but none the less is still a skill that must be practiced and perfected...."
JB
Ever hear the saying, "Easy for me"?
There are, "Naturals" as in the baseball movie. I know some. They see, remember and execute better than us mortals and they excel.
For us mortals, we need crutches like CTE.
You can accomplish through hard work - most everything in life - if you live long enough.... and if you are so inclined.
:wink::thumbup:
JB
Ever hear the saying, "Easy for me"?
There are, "Naturals" as in the baseball movie. I know some. They see, remember and execute better than us mortals and they excel.
For us mortals, we need crutches like CTE.
You can accomplish through hard work - most everything in life - if you live long enough.... and if you are so inclined.
:wink::thumbup:
According to Wikipedia, "The league batting average in Major League Baseball for 2004 was just higher than .266, and the all-time league average is between .260 and .275." Considering that the pros fail to hit the ball successfully on over 70% of their batting attempts, it would seem that they don't calculate where it crosses the plate very well.
Robert
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I don't consider CTE a crutch. I consider it to be one method among many which helps me to find the right line until finding that line looks fluid and "natural" to anyone watching.
I doubt highly that you will find any top player that got there without ever working on their aiming. Sure plenty of them say that pool came natural to them and I believe that. But getting to pro speed didn't come "naturally" to any of them. No way.
No problem. I just assumed you'd been drinking to ease the pain (like everybody else but the winner).
pj
chgo
A rich vein
After an inauspicious start, IMHO this thread has more than its fair share of gems. #250 is one of a number from Lou that are worth reading more than once.
(And a couple from PJ got me chuckling
)
Siz
After an inauspicious start, IMHO this thread has more than its fair share of gems. #250 is one of a number from Lou that are worth reading more than once.
(And a couple from PJ got me chuckling
)Siz
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Ummm?
Who wants to know? Is this important info in regards to this topic?
Did I ever say, hint, advise, suggest or do anything else that would imply that I was any kind of proficient player?
Not sure where you were going or if maybe I'm just missing the joke... but it is cloudy, you know I don't do well on cloudy days. RJ
Who wants to know? Is this important info in regards to this topic?
Did I ever say, hint, advise, suggest or do anything else that would imply that I was any kind of proficient player?
Not sure where you were going or if maybe I'm just missing the joke... but it is cloudy, you know I don't do well on cloudy days. RJ
hmm
Hey, U wanna plays some one hole ?? Getting a little tired of having my A** handed to me by the Ghost !! see ya, RJ
Hey, U wanna plays some one hole ?? Getting a little tired of having my A** handed to me by the Ghost !! see ya, RJ
You posted this method of yours:
"I usually step toward the angle of the sun, and use that trajectory to determine the proper algorithym and then divide the angle by PI, (3.14 for the non-Mathletes) and add 12 and then squint in one eye (no, not the dominant eye dumbsh*t because you will FALL over) and then I can I see my "shoe shadow", and then I repeat with my other foot. It only sucks on cloudy days, but I don't much walk on cloudy days anymore."
So I was wondering if it was helping you to run racks when it's not cloudy?
damianauto
vincentvega
seriously....JAM
"You might catch Dennis Hatch posting here right before the Mosconi Cup begins. This is when the pool public takes a vote on who they think the Americans should send. Dennis then posts on this forum quite frequently. His forum name is "Hatchetman," I think."
Dear JAM,
Is it really necessary to KEEP talk about how dennis posted on here before the mosconi cup and will probably post again and blah blah blah.....stop hating..keep on topic..find something else to ocd about...is it that upsetting to you that you cannot possibly find anything else on this forum to obsess about.??
"You might catch Dennis Hatch posting here right before the Mosconi Cup begins. This is when the pool public takes a vote on who they think the Americans should send. Dennis then posts on this forum quite frequently. His forum name is "Hatchetman," I think."
Dear JAM,
Is it really necessary to KEEP talk about how dennis posted on here before the mosconi cup and will probably post again and blah blah blah.....stop hating..keep on topic..find something else to ocd about...is it that upsetting to you that you cannot possibly find anything else on this forum to obsess about.??
Aiming methods
WOW, this is my first visit to this website and I am amazed at all the responses to this thread. I suspect most of them would have been better served on the "Rants & Raves" section of Craigslist but for those who genuinely posted comentary on the aiming systems, I apprecite the feedback. I actually found a few gems that I can take with me the next time I practice. Finding the shadows and pivoting the cue were not in that category.
As for the original post, it's clear that none of the "Pro's" are going to respond but perhaps had the author requested players who had "A" rankings or those who have the ability to run 20% of their 8/9 ball racks, that might qualify as a player who has a grip on their aiming techniques.
WOW, this is my first visit to this website and I am amazed at all the responses to this thread. I suspect most of them would have been better served on the "Rants & Raves" section of Craigslist but for those who genuinely posted comentary on the aiming systems, I apprecite the feedback. I actually found a few gems that I can take with me the next time I practice. Finding the shadows and pivoting the cue were not in that category.
As for the original post, it's clear that none of the "Pro's" are going to respond but perhaps had the author requested players who had "A" rankings or those who have the ability to run 20% of their 8/9 ball racks, that might qualify as a player who has a grip on their aiming techniques.
rr-
1)Welcome aboard.
2) That kind of reasoned and sensible response will not get you far on the forum.
Take care
I love this thread :grin:
I joined just so I could post in this thread (although I love the game, and I love the subject of aiming, and I'll have many reasons to post again).
In fact, I'M a goddam TOP player, and I've already PM'ed the OP with the information he requested. For the benefit of everyone, I include the relevant info in the attached diagram:
As I hope will be obvious to the OP upon reviewing my info, aiming is not even NECESSARY for a TOP player!
I joined just so I could post in this thread (although I love the game, and I love the subject of aiming, and I'll have many reasons to post again).
In fact, I'M a goddam TOP player, and I've already PM'ed the OP with the information he requested. For the benefit of everyone, I include the relevant info in the attached diagram:
As I hope will be obvious to the OP upon reviewing my info, aiming is not even NECESSARY for a TOP player!
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I love this thread :grin:
I joined just so I could post in this thread (although I love the game, and I love the subject of aiming, and I'll have many reasons to post again).
In fact, I'M a goddam TOP player, and I've already PM'ed the OP with the information he requested. For the benefit of everyone, I include the relevant info in the attached diagram:
As I hope will be obvious to the OP upon reviewing my info, aiming is not even NECESSARY for a TOP player!
LOL.....You picked he wrong nick name.....You should have gone with "spindoctor"