What do the Top Players in the World AIM at?

h2o4170 said:
Joey what about Lou attacking Bills credentials and calling him a "douche bag" ?
Kick Lou off well all be better off.From the beging Bill was respectfull until pushed.I dont think saying thanks but I wanted to hear from top players is so rude.Calling someone an "IDIOT" while may be true isnt app either.But going on a public forum and saying you have personal info on what a douche somone is ,Which I dont believe,Bill is well known and respected in Chicago,is a blatent violation of the rules,is it not? So ,who is Lou and why can he do and say what he wants?
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1. Show me where I attacked his credentials. In fact, I have said in this thread that no one said he couldn't play.

2. He took the first AND second shot with "idiot" and "mentally defective."

It wasn't until after the second one that I volleyed (sort of). From the half dozen PMs I've gotten, it looks like I nailed it :-) It's called self defense.

Lou Figueroa
one shot
one kill :-)
 
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h2o4170 said:
Joey what about Lou attacking Bills credentials and calling him a "douche bag" ?
Kick Lou off well all be better off.From the beging Bill was respectfull until pushed.I dont think saying thanks but I wanted to hear from top players is so rude.Calling someone an "IDIOT" while may be true isnt app either.But going on a public forum and saying you have personal info on what a douche somone is ,Which I dont believe,Bill is well known and respected in Chicago,is a blatent violation of the rules,is it not? So ,who is Lou and why can he do and say what he wants?
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It is apparent that the forum rules have been broken by both parties but Bill was the first one to cast a stone.

I don't like calling people Naysayers and I'm not sure even if I have broken the rules using that name or not but I will check in the future if I am want to call someone that name.

Sorry, while I am a championer of fresh blood and professional players on this forum, I don't think Bill was being respectful in some of his posts.

It would be nice to know how Bill aims but everyone knows that I don't pay for anything, so he will have to PM me to get my shipping address to send me a "pro bono" dvd if he wants me to give it a good review. :grin:

All kidding aside, Bill needs to come off his high horse. This is a pool forum for naysayers, malcontents, pseudo-scientists and wannabee pool players. :grin:
 
iralee said:
Personally, I aim and execute to hit an OB the very same way regardless of whether I am playing 3c or pool. I say that the 3-cushion game requires players to make hits on the first object ball at least as precisely as other cue games.

For players that do not aim the same way in both games, my opinion is that they should. If a player specifically decides where to cut the OB before shooting, they have the ability to validate and evaluate the quality of their hit afterwards. In order to properly diagnose the reason for misses, one must be able to trace the mistake to its cause (hit, spin, speed, etc). Ignoring exact hits in 3c is a certain way to drastically delay an already lengthy learning process.
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this. i started learning how to play 3-cushion last year, in korea, and i noticed when i finally started to play pool regularly again, with some foreigners, that my 3-cushion game improved rapidly. paradoxically, when i started out playing 3-cushion the part of the game i had the most trouble with was properly aiming, which confounded me since making balls on the pool table has always been a breeze. i had been so worried, with considerations of stroke, spin, carom angles, speed, stance, etc. that i often neglected to aim much at all, or if i did the process didn't nearly approximate my aiming in pool. great post.
 
Neil, most people have a life and some of us don't know alot about pool. If there is a real gem on here I would appreciate you pointing it out for me, I love the info on AZ and have learned alot, but with daily life I don't have time to reread everything and even then I might still not know what it is. Please let me in on it. Thanks.
Neil said:
I'm going to add one more post.:D Buried in this thread is one of the best gems I have found on AZB. Not the best, but one of them. I am not going to give it away on what it is. For those interested, STUDY this thread, and you will find it. IMHO, if you aren't willing to really search for it, you don't deserve to get it for free. IMO, it is good enough to require some effort on your part.

(Hint- it's not in one of my posts ) There's only a couple people that I will give it to privately, and I believe they know who they are;))
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mr3cushion said:
Hello Everyone; My name is Bill Smith for those that don't know. I'm primarily a 3 cushion player for the past 45 years. In 3C the TOP players in the world all have a certain way they AIM at the first object ball, in pool I'm sure it's the same.

I'd like to hear from some of the GREAT players of the past and present, like Buddy Hall, Mike Siegel, Efren, Nick Varner, Johnny Archer, John Schimdt, Shane Van Boning, Dennis Hatch, Dennis Orcallo, on what thier theories on AIMING at any shot and WHY they do it a particular way.

If for some reason some people don't want to snitch their aiming system off to the public,(belive me it's for my own reference and comparison), you can PM me your answers.

I hope to get many and ineteresting responces from all!

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
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with the exception of john schmidt if you're trying to find out what the other pros on your list aim at you're asking in the wrong place.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
with the exception of john schmidt if you're trying to find out what the other pros on your list aim at you're asking in the wrong place.
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And I suspect most of these folk have no clue what they aim at.

Think about something we're nearly all experts in: walking. Imagine a group of aliens asked how we manage to walk without falling over. They'd be talking amongst themselves about where the center of mass needs to be at each stage of a step, etc. But if they asked us about it, and we chose to answer honestly, we'd admit we really have no clue. We just do it.
 
mikepage said:
And I suspect most of these folk have no clue what they aim at.

Think about something we're nearly all experts in: walking. Imagine a group of aliens asked how we manage to walk without falling over. They'd be talking amongst themselves about where the center of mass needs to be at each stage of a step, etc. But if they asked us about it, and we chose to answer honestly, we'd admit we really have no clue. We just do it.
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Now this is probably the best explenation yet.Great answer!
 
mikepage said:
And I suspect most of these folk have no clue what they aim at.

Think about something we're nearly all experts in: walking. Imagine a group of aliens asked how we manage to walk without falling over. They'd be talking amongst themselves about where the center of mass needs to be at each stage of a step, etc. But if they asked us about it, and we chose to answer honestly, we'd admit we really have no clue. We just do it.
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Mike, now you have done it. Someone is going to start a thread about which foot they place first in they're walk to the table for a shot.;)
 
Hmmm

mikepage said:
And I suspect most of these folk have no clue what they aim at.

Think about something we're nearly all experts in: walking. Imagine a group of aliens asked how we manage to walk without falling over. They'd be talking amongst themselves about where the center of mass needs to be at each stage of a step, etc. But if they asked us about it, and we chose to answer honestly, we'd admit we really have no clue. We just do it.
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I usually step toward the angle of the sun, and use that trajectory to determine the proper algorithym and then divide the angle by PI, (3.14 for the non-Mathletes) and add 12 and then squint in one eye (no, not the dominant eye dumbsh*t because you will FALL over) and then I can I see my "shoe shadow", and then I repeat with my other foot. It only sucks on cloudy days, but I don't much walk on cloudy days anymore.

PJ - Don't dispute my findings here because you have seen me walk at Red Shoes Billiards !!!! lol
 
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ChicagoRJ said:
I usually step toward the angle of the sun, and use that trajectory to determine the proper algorithym and then divide the angle by PI, (3.14 for the non-Mathletes) and add 12 and then squint in one eye (no, not the dominant eye dumbsh*t because you will FALL over) and then I can I see my "shoe shadow", and then I repeat with my other foot. It only sucks on cloudy days, but I don't much walk on cloudy days anymore.

PJ - Don't dispute my findings here because you have seen me walk at Red Shoes Billiards !!!! lol
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How many racks have you run in 9 Ball?
 
mikepage said:
And I suspect most of these folk have no clue what they aim at.

Think about something we're nearly all experts in: walking. Imagine a group of aliens asked how we manage to walk without falling over. They'd be talking amongst themselves about where the center of mass needs to be at each stage of a step, etc. But if they asked us about it, and we chose to answer honestly, we'd admit we really have no clue. We just do it.
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This is what I was getting at with my question earlier of asking how to hit a baseball. Hitting a baseball is such a complicated task, you can't describe it in words. The same is true of walking, touching your nose, breathing, etc. These things are so complicated to describe how to do, yet so easy to do you don't think about them.

In pool, aiming is "relatively" simple compared to the above tasks. Because:
1. There is nothing moving.
2. You have all the time in the world to do the "aiming"
3. You can have the exact same shot many times to perfect it
4. Etc.

So on the complicated to describe tasks (but simple to do) like walking, or hitting a baseball, we are content with not being able to describe how to do it, because we can't

Yet in pool, because its perceived by us to be simple, we are demanding of ourselves to be able to describe how to aim.

Why can't we just leave the aiming of pool be, and accept that a very large number of players just "see it" without having:
1. A contact point
2. An overlap fraction
3. A pivot
4. A light reflection
5. Seeing lines in their head
6. Etc.
 
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