What Do You Hate To See In A Cue?
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Tommy-D said:
The question wasn't asked of you, as a matter of fact it was quite clear that his opinion was the only one that really mattered, yet you felt a need to tell us how you'd feel LOL. One important thing you missed is it doesn't take his vision or his gift, all it takes is a computer and a scanner. Making a copy doesn't take any skill or vision or gift and that's the point. Also even if Tim doesn't care there are those who do and those are the people who's opinions matter, not you and not me. The funny thing is when the people who do the stealing try to defend it and claim it's ok, of course they are going to defend the behavior.
Jim
LOL!!! There were people collecting cues long before TCOM. Balabushka, Szamboti, and Rambows were at the top of the list. It's fair to say that people started collecting cues because of cuemakers like Balabushka and Paradise, but Paradise's cues didn't have the quality that Balabushka's had. Anyway, Balabushka and Szamboti IMO were the only two choices to use. And they used Balabushka. They could have said "Ginacue," I suppose.iconcue said:
No.
Because there's a good chance that there will be a Blue Book IV. Right?
Fred
iconcue said:
My goodness. The technical advisor was Mike Sigel. There were also several other top notch professionals on board. If you polled each of them to tell you which cue had the majestic quality worthy enough to call out, which one do you think came up the most from these guys? (Sigel, Mizerak, Floyd, etc.)? Mizerak espoused the virtue of Balabushkas in his books long before TCOM. Sigel was from New York state and most certainly would have chosen the name Balabushka over, say, Rambow or even Szamboti. He may have owned one for all I know. Floyd (Jim Mataya) shot with a Balabushka at one point of his career. Those were three of the top players who were in the movie that had a speaking role. It would be interesting if Keith or Grady got to have any input.
Why did Joss cue tet chosen as the cue? Because Mike Sigel, the technical adviser was a Joss spokesman. He won that year's World Championship with a Joss as did the runner-up, Nick Varner. Easy choise for the equipment dudes.
Fred
> I thought my opinion was relevant here,because I am in the process of learning CNC machining,and look at Tim's work as inspiration,amongst several others. I am surely not the only one either,ask Skip if he likes Keith's cues,and even IF he tells you he isn't a particular fan,he will not slag Keith's work or Tim's designs. Skip is reputed to be a fantastic cuemaker,almost entirely because of his experience as a master tool and die maker,and they are usually pretty reverent towards the skills of others that are similar. As far as JimBo chasing me out of this thread or any others,good f**king luck. Tommy D.
coastydad said:
You are very funny. Skip being close to where Bushka and Boti started making cues is a joke, what the hell would geography have to do with anything. The style of cues has more to do with the era then anything else, not where they lived. As far as Skip goes he's your favorite because you live near him, bought his cue and got it cheap, that's it. If you were really a fan of Skip's work you'd like the cues he made before his MK influence, I'm sure Joe wants the credit so bad he'll chime in any minute. Skip (from NJ) didn't start off making cues in the traditional style, he was forced into it by MK (and Joe, hope that makes Joe happy) Now we want to reinvent the past and say that Skip is a traditional style cuemaker LOL, ok. People from that era make those cues, guys like R. Black, Scruggs, Schick, even Barry Szamboti, but the real truth of it is you didn't want to pay for that so you went to the cheaper new cuemaker who can't get those prices. What's sad is that I really do like Skip, but you guys are like a sad cult with him and you force the truth out of me, in turn I end up looking like I am bad mouthing him. Don't feel bad I end up doing the same thing anytime some clowns pop up and make silly claims about new cuemakers, it happens with Murrell and DZ, everyone is the best ever and it's all because that's who you guys can afford to buy at the time. Skip makes nice cues, he didn't start out doing traditional style cues for you to make a silly claim like that just shows ignorance on your part, but of course your other views seem to point to a lack of experience anyway. I'm glad you like Skip's work, join the club, just don't drink the cool aid. As far as not liking work done by other guys (TW,JW) this proves my point, they can easily make a traditional style cue, just the same way Skip does, of course it would cost a bit more, so isn’t that really what you meant to say? I mean Skip changed his style to make your cue, so in fact the only thing we can point to that’s different is the price.
Jim
Tommy-D said:
I haven't chased you out (evident by your post LOL) but I asked a direct question to a person who does design work. In the question I mentioned that others who don't have anything to do with designs can give their opinions all day, but they are meaningless. I wanted to hear from someone who's reply I would value, not yours, mine or any of the others who see nothing wrong with stealing. Point is we aren't the one's being ripped off, WHO CARES WHAT WE THINK??? I guess you just don't get it, and to top it off you have very thin skin, now run along.
Jim
JimBo said:
Jim, think you're missing my point. First, you brought up the issue of the region that Szamboti and Balabushka worked in and suggested that I find a cuemaker from that area to build a cue in that style, and included Richard Black. Second, yes, I'm originally from New Jersey. But, that's not the reason that I bought a cue from Skip. I live in Colorado for cripes sake! I heard about Skips work from a friend and exotic cue dealer from Austin TX. I did some research, looked at the examples of cues that he had on his website and elsewhere and called him. After several e-mails and calls I ordered a cue. I liked the first one, and ordered another. Actually, if the truth be known, the decision on the first cue came down between Skip and Richard Black. I chose Skip and have been more than pleased with the decision. As far as experience is concerned, I have been playing pool since the early sixties and have owned and played with cues from most of the most recognized cuemakers in the business, to include Szamboti (Gus), Southwest, Richard Black, Dave Kikel, Wes Hunter, Omega DPK, to name a few. Additionally, I never inferred that you were "Bad Mouthing" Skip or anyone else. If I thought that you would definitely hear about it. Just think that you could just deal with the fact that some folks like cues that are not necessarily what you like. I could really give a s@#t less why Skip started building "Traditional" style cues or what influence "MK" had on his decision. Also, to put my final card on the table, I like Skip as a person whereas a lot of these so called "Masters" are a royal pain in the ass to deal with. And believe me, I've dealt with a lot of them.
coastydad said:
I guess you missed my point as well, I also happen to like traditional cues, as well as new stuff, I like all cues. But for you to say you choose Skip because of it and you don't like TW or JW is a joke. The point you miss is that as custom makers these guys can all make a cue anyway you want. Skip wasn't known as a traditional style maker, so asking him to do it would be no different then asking anyone else TW and JW included. I happen to own a Skip and I have met the man on several occasions. I for one would like to see new exciting work coming from these new exciting guys, sure we won't like it all, but that's what will bring changes and it will help cuemaking evolve. People need to stick up for their art and forge their own markets, trust me it works.
Jim
JimBo said:
I've heard you say over, and over, and over again how Skip changed his style to "traditional" after MK's influence. Please post some pictures of Skip's original style and a definition of "traditional". The only changes that I saw him make were making 6 poing hi/lo cues and switching to sharp inlays. Thanks in advance for your reply.
Zack
zeeder said:
Don't ask Jimbo for facts or pictures. If you want pictures from Jimbo ask me.
Listen, go to cue addicts and look at the 5th cue Skip made. Is it traditional? I think so, it was mine and I designed it. But it wasn't his primary focus. When he started out he made cues for people in the area. Some more or less traditional, some way out in never never land. But Skip was experimenting. Since he was doing points and veneers, I am shocked he didn't do more traditional stuff to start with, since its a natural fit with his cues. But anyways, there is an ebony cue on Sherbines site that is a "Skip" cue, there are some on his site and I could post some beauts. I remember the first MOP cue he made, pulled it out of his case and it sold before I tagged it. Funny how his other stuff never had that effect, beings everyone recognizes good work, regardless of its appearance. Peoples tastes are very refined, some people like the artsy cues and some like traditionally designed cues. But if you want to own one, it doesn't mean you should sell your house and buy a Bushka. There are still companies that make old style furniture, they still make slate roofing, there are even companies that make replacement hemis and it ain't Chrylser. So big deal.One other thing is Skip is still doing his own thing. If you want an all natural hardwoods cue, Skip is the guy. His point work is as good if not the best there is. Some cues will appeal to a person and some won't.
Joe (---held a gun to his head and said "Mother of pearl is your friend"
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JimBo said:
Maybe because he has never seen Skips before work. Its not about the credit, its about the truth, something you will never be associated with.
JimBo said:
Really.. half those guys weren't making cues with Bushka. Oh wait, thats right, Jimbo is the decider of pool era's.. sorry.
JimBo said:
Force the truth out of you? You have to possess it first, before anyone can do that.
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