What Does The Public Really Want?

"not for nothin' ",;) but i'll post this here, too - "Earl got >1000 tweets from fans begging him to come back that the Cup was horrible and lacked passion".

i'm just sayin'.... what yáll choose to do with it, is entirely up to you.

I saw that too. I even RT several of them :-)
 
Yes, in China, due to the success of players like Ding Jun Hui and Pan Xiao Ting and to some degree in the UK and Europe due to the perception of successful snooker players.

I'm in the states and have NO clue what goes on in China/pool other that colleges and careers etc, so I would find it VERY surprising if they didn't have parents doing this since their perspective of the game, isn't generated from the Color of Money.

The Hustler movie showed the world what had percolated out of our society after WWII. The second movie with Tom Cruise and a twirling Balabuska solidified our entire countries perspective of what thee current pool players mindset is.

C.O.M. in the long turn hurt the sport, why? How many times have you heard this expression after someone you don't know but just met realizes your a pool player.......first word driveling out of their mouth, with a giggle...."you must be a pool shark" ha Ha HA. It's why I NEVER tell ANYONE that I play pool, I don't WANT to hear that annoying response again and again. All it shows is their ignorance, but what have we given the public to change this mindset, not allot yet.
 
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Pool is a fringe sport. It takes most people years to play B speed. Kids for the most part won't put in the effort. The days of bachelors hanging around pool rooms are past.

Embrace the sport for what it is. It's not gonna thrive on TV and if it does somehow it's not gonna be like the Color of Money boom. All we need is more good regional tours and SBE type events. These events can easily be profitable.

Pro pool doesn't make money. If you charge to watch it goes nowhere. Turning Stone is free and there's no more than a couple hundred watching at anytime. Unless somebody combines a pro event with amateur events too it just doesn't work. Male pros will never join to make it work. Too competitive with one another.

Enjoy pool for what it is. Sure wish somebody could get thousands of sucker to bet but today it is just different
 
How about building up pool from programs such as the Mosconi cup. Pool as an international team sport, with national or even regional teams competing, with boistrous crowds and cheering. Its fun and exciting! There is always the library atmosphere of the poolroom for the enthusiasts, but for the viewing public (non poolplayers) lets make pool as exciting as it deserves to be! Lets get it on the tv, and on the public radar. Even darts get more tv coverage than pool, and they have boistrous crowds. I realize that snooker doesn't but the snooker model is a product of history and culture, and is not necessarily possible to copy. I believe that for pool the dart way is the way forward.

For this to work there needs to be a national ranking system in the US. How hard would it be to unify the various pool tournaments under a common banner? It wouldn't necessarily cost much to do IMHO, just the willingnes to cooperate on in the easiest, low cost way. Without a ranking system and a tour the US pooplayers are doomed to fight bs politcs and poverty forever.

Make a national team you can be proud of, that have risen to the top through merit. May the best man win, etc. Imagine how it would be with a Mosconi cup atmosphere in the Phillipines, China, Taiwan, Germany, England, Poland, The Netherlands, Canada etc when your team came to visit. Nation vs. Nation competing in a sportsmanlike manner. Nobody will be an instant millionaire from this, but there is a chance to make a decent living I think and some respect from the viewing audience and maybe even the Olympic commitee one day. Sponsorship should be possible to get as well. Maybe in the future when you tell someone you are a poolplayer they will think athlete/competitor instead of huster....

Great post... (site would not let me give you green rep again...., I guess I must have liked one of your other posts as well, LOL)

To the previous comment made by someone else, that "we've tried it all before..." We have not tried a national LEAGUE based on billiard club participation, playing no-handicap pool, and a sanctioning body who genuinely cares about the long term viability of the sport...

It works in Germany and other European countries who's governments care about "sport" and people join clubs based on specific common interest. Pool thrives there in a scene that is not dominated by gambling.

The biggest challenges we have in the USA are plentiful... For starters, nobody at the highest levels really gives a crap. And the long geographic distances between would-be clubs and team sites makes a regional or national masters league type scenario extremely expensive and time consuming for the players. Granted, the distance can be overcome with money, but overcoming the lack of leadership from the BCA, APA, or whatever other organizations exist out there who might be able to pull something like this together is insurmountable with the present mindset. Also, there's the attitude of players to consider. Many American top level players wouldn't be caught dead being part of a league.

And then there's the whole snarky mindset... "sure, that guy can win the world championship racing sets to 7, but could he beat ________ in a race to 100 for $10,000?"

Having seen and lived both sides (20 years living in Germany) I think pool culture is too far gone in the USA to make any kind of dramatic shift to cultural respectability... Let's just face it, pool here at the global level is doomed. With what I'm reading about possible hustler/gambler shows about to hit the airwaves, I've pretty much lost all hope that pool will ever find it's way out of the American cultural sewer. It seems to me that most people playing the game nowadays are perfectly comfortable leaving it that way, too.

Local and regional tournaments is about all that is available for up and coming players to try to "break into"... We just need to get used to it and accept it for what it is. At the end of the day, I'm just thankful that I live in an area where I still have access to a few decent pool halls that don't look to be in fear of closing anytime soon.
 
I don't know what the public wants, or how pool fits in but I do know this...

The world and everything in life is in constant change. Everything that adapts to the change remains. Anything that fails to adapt to change is left behind. End of story.

In regards to pool, every sport that is alive and well today has had to continuously adapt to change. Some purists may say this has ruined the games, but yet they still exist. Pool is no exception.
 
I think pool purist want gentleman playing the game at its highest level. Someone who isn't into the purity of every aspect of pool wants pool to be played like they were watching the hustler. Seeing an offensive display and amazing shots. I understand players are trying to win and play to win. However I think the rules need to change to an offensive game. Most people wont appreciate a good defense. To be honest, I see many shot where it seems pro take an easier route. Take out defense and make it an offensive game. You know, like other sports try to do. Make the game interesting for the fans and the pool novice. Wouldn't it be nice to see pros going for long banks and tough shots instead of settling for defense. I understand that's how the game is played. Just might not be as appealing to viewers. I would love to see 9 ball played with one defensive shots. All other shot must be an attempt to make a ball or its ball in hand. When you watch pool movies that what you see. Heck there is a story of a guy making like 23 9 balls in one game. If the 9 wasn't last it got spotted. If its not a fish story that would be amazing for tv.
 
If you want pool to succeed on TV it would need to be set a little in the past.

Have two players travel around the US in their Corvette and get involved in peoples lives thru the pool room. Gambling and playing would only be a part of the plot.

You would need real actors not pool players.

Bill S.
 
Here's the truth. Pool is played in basements, family rec rooms,,,and bars. There is nothing spectacular about that. It's not good television or it would be on. They tried to sell it with leggy woman "pros"....still didn't work. Even with the dirt cheap production costs that pool requires compared to almost anything else they can throw on TV it's still not on.
If something completely sleazy like "American Road Player" somehow by some incredible miracle airs once....it won't be about the pool...just a train wreck in the order of Honey Boo Boo.
 
Perspective:

1000 people is about 1/50th of the registered users on this forum and 1/250th of the APA membership.

i assumed they were by everyone in attendance at Blackpool, since there are maybe 300 fans in the US who care about Mosconi - most of which are herein.

i personally could care less about a TV show. i'd rather be shooting.
 
With ever increasing camera quality, video editing software, and so on and so forth - why don't we find pool fanatics with time on their hands, run a kickstarter, and develop a show? Air it online. People have made a decent small chunk of change and kick started (pardon the pun) their own careers on and behind the camera using similar strategies. One that comes to mind immediately is The Guild - which was pieced together by World of Warcraft nuts - was done cheaply and took off. And this was in 2007, prior to our modern camera tech, video editing software, the presence of kickstarter to fund the beginning stages, etc.

Obviously with the people in this game we worry about a kickstarter gone wrong and someone scamming us, but if done with transparency... well... why not? How many people are streaming these pool matches? Kickstart it to get it going and I bet we could get far more people buying up an episode at a time to watch than we get buying up all-night-long sessions of one-pocket. I know I'd be willing to work as a writer for pennies (not that any of you have evidence of my ability as a writer, and I'm sure you could find someone better) - and I'd definitely buy up every episode.

And when it hits it big and winds up on Hulu and DVDs are available for purchase I'd be all in to purchase. :) Someone get this going, I'm just an idea person!
 
If the "Hustler" or "TCOM" came out in this economy how do you think it goes over ?

IMO not very good.

People need to have extra money to play pool and support a network of poolrooms
that already exist. To add new rooms and support them too would mean we have to get
Wall Street and BigBiz to let up. They got everybody by the nads.

But pool IS overdue for another boom, but they never last !

We have to hope for Scooter's show.
Like the thread suggests people want to see a showdown !
 
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