What finish

Millions of professional auto finish painters use this stuff everyday and there is no overt epidemic of health issues happening in that industry.
I can name 3 makers who likely died from spraying.
Good ones too.
 
Just a fyi. You need to have medical clearance to use a resperator. If you use a partial face you have to have it fit tested by someone qualified to do so.

Charcoal is not a good choice for modern clear coats no matter what other people do or what the people selling it to you say.

This coming from someone who has a very large paint facility and has to deal with the EPA and OSHA often.

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LOL, talk about irony. Thomas Wayne posted he got bashed to death for talking about the safety and me, looks like I can't make sense to myself.

Hopefully there is some guy out there that by this thread will pick up the MSDS sheet that is mandatory if you ask for it and start taking steps to protect himself. This is not only the sprayer but anyone in the room and is not limited to just the time of spray but to full cure.

Its probably just me but in the back of my mind I have this guy, kid if you would that uses no protection and feels he can't afford it.

For what its worth you can buy a less than cheap HVLP machine (squirrel cage oil less blower), say $80.00 hook the hose up to a breathing mask that someone broke the rest of it and is giving it away, run the hose and unit outside, run the hose through a $1.98 Polystyrene cooler filled with ice, put the top back on it and be spraying safe all day long while having cool air come to you.

Sorry but in this ole guys mind there is somebody out there that wants to put a Aliphatic Urethane on cues that was lucky to afford to eat this week that I was hoping to help.

I truly apologies, my thinking and game must be way off today
 
Murray Tucker said:
Just a fyi. You need to have medical clearance to use a resperator. If you use a partial face you have to have it fit tested by someone qualified to do so.

Charcoal is not a good choice for modern clear coats no matter what other people do or what the people selling it to you say.

This coming from someone who has a very large paint facility and has to deal with the EPA and OSHA often.

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Do you actually spray your cues in there?
 
TomHay said:
SCDive Team. I think you are reading me wrong, maybe out on context.

I did not make money shooting Johnny Archer 9 ball for $1,000.00 a rack or selling cues for $100, 001.00 stealing biz from Thomas Wayne.

I would never apply anything but Aliphatic Urethanes on my cues. I did not in the past do not plan to now.

I made my money in the Urethane and Polyurea industry. I just this past year sold my company to my partners. Type in Tom Hay Urethane Polyurea in a search engine and I think you will find a few links.

My warning is like Thomas Waynes. Don't be stupid when you do it. I see people doing it all the time with zero protection and they will die due to it if they don't stop and use protection.

Thomas Wayne was dead on with his direct air, you should wear the peel offs from face protection so you always see properly.

If I even got one person to start protecting themselves today, my life became more meaningfull. Read the MSDS (Manufactures safety data sheets) they will tell you the same thing.

If someone gest Iso sensitivity and poisoning from not protecting themselves 1. They may die. 2. They may switch to inferior products. 3. They may quit making cues.

If I mis wrote I apoligise to you and anyone else. My agenda was keeping people alive and doing what they enjoy. Oh, LOL, sorry about long post.
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Tom,

Your concerns and advise is spot on as a expert a professional in this chemical area.

People who don't protect themselves could cause health issues based on a cumulative body burden and liver problems downstream in their life.

I used to make dives and perform underwater work in spent fuel pools and nuclear reactors near live fuel rods. I have been as close to glowing fuel rods as 8 feet which is considered a safe distance for very low dose rate exposure concerning "Radiation Equiviant Man"because the water density is a great shield from gamma radiation. Not using masks and safety gear for spraying is no different to my mind as observing the 8 foot safe limit for radiation safety guidelines. Chemisty is chemistry and body burden is body burden in both examples.

You either are doing something within safe limits or your being un safe.

The 3 great cue makers Joey brings up were doing it unsafe if in fact the finish was indeed the root cause of there demise.

Thanks for your safety perspective as a survivor. Your words should be seen as a great example to those who may be thinking about doing something without the proper safety precautions. Not a good idea!

Thanks,

Rick G
 
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scdiveteam said:
Tom,



Millions of professional auto finish painters use this stuff everyday and there is no overt epidemic of health issues happening in that industry.
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Really?

Research indicates there may be a 40% increase in the rate of cancer. Pulmonary function studies demonstrate measurable changes over the course of a week in painters, beginning on Monday and monitoring daily spirometry through Friday, that indicates significant small airway disease. Longer term studies have demonstrated more significant pathological changes over longer periods of time, especially if the painter also smokes (of course). Even incidental exposures are demonstrated to cause pneumonitis.



Now, this is research, not conclusive....but I would say it is very significant. In fact, the matter is significant enough that it is specifically tested on the United States Medical License Exam that all US doctors take. In other words, all doctors are supposed to be aware of it and on the look-out for it.



So, it isn't an "official epidemic", but there is a recognized pattern of significant pathology associated.

I have also mentioned pneumoconiosis before in association with machining things like MOP. You guys need to take these things serious and please be careful. Read and understand the MSDS sheets and use all recommended precautions.
 
Chopdoc said:
Really?

Research indicates there may be a 40% increase in the rate of cancer. Pulmonary function studies demonstrate measurable changes over the course of a week in painters, beginning on Monday and monitoring daily spirometry through Friday, that indicates significant small airway disease. Longer term studies have demonstrated more significant pathological changes over longer periods of time, especially if the painter also smokes (of course). Even incidental exposures are demonstrated to cause pneumonitis.



Now, this is research, not conclusive....but I would say it is very significant. In fact, the matter is significant enough that it is specifically tested on the United States Medical License Exam that all US doctors take. In other words, all doctors are supposed to be aware of it and on the look-out for it.



So, it isn't an "official epidemic", but there is a recognized pattern of significant pathology associated.

I have also mentioned pneumoconiosis before in association with machining things like MOP. You guys need to take these things serious and please be careful. Read and understand the MSDS sheets and use all recommended precautions.
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Hey Doc,

Thank you for your data it that area. We all know how dangerous chems are that are inhaled. Your concerns as our resident Dr. Drive home how important safety should be stressed. As you know people can be complacent and think that it won't happen to them.

Did theses researchers monitor painters who used safety protection equipment properly v those who were remiss in the use of safety equipment. As you know any research can be affected by sensitivity as well as specificity.

Zero tolerance to exposure should be the ideal but in a real world if you handle the material there will always be some exposure. CMs exposures are very minimal compared to someone painting cars for a living.

I would hope the EPA and OSHA was monitoring the industry and where able the set guidelines were any percentile increase in cancers would be unacceptable.

If there is an incidence of 40% increase in cancers when comparing painters to the general population of all industries, then they should start banning materials from the market that are root cause to the outcome.

Rick G
 
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I don't know if the studies included monitoring for proper use of safety measures. I would have to go find the studies.

That there might be a correlation with cancer might make one think it would be banned but it simply isn't that easy nor simple.

I don't know what OSHA and/or the EPA might be doing about it. I'm just not in that end of things.

Yes, one would think a Cue Maker's exposure would be significantly less. Whether or not how much that might decrease the risks is unknown, at least to me. These things are not always proportional.
 
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