What Good Is the WPA and do the players need it?

[pro9dg]

Edwin, think of your blood pressure - it must be through the roof.

 

[bandido]

Edwin, think of your blood pressure - it must be through the roof.

LOL!! Must be why my spelling, grammar and sentence structure are getting all jumbled-up? :wink:

 

[ironman]

And I fully believe that they will.

I know Yen and I will be very surprised if the players are not paid very soon.

Mike

I do feel though that they have created their own stress here. Nobody will ever {in the pool world} fully understand the "checks in the mail" statements and when they use that one, they have opened the door for all kinds of speculation and "Doubting Thomas".

One thing I have never and never will understand is that if the players have to post, why don't the promoters?

You are right, the IPT is another discussion altogether. Nobody was very surprised at what happened there. Whether they admitt it or not.

 

[jay helfert]

And the tournaments that got 10-12 months to pay were not small either.

Mike

By the way, the IPT has yet to pay in full, two years later. The final 11% payment is still outstanding!
Many grumblings here at the U.S. Open about the slow payments from the recent WTBC. If it doesn't happen this week, all Hell may break loose.

 

[Tim-n-NM]

By the way, the IPT has yet to pay in full, two years later. The final 11% payment is still outstanding!
Many grumblings here at the U.S. Open about the slow payments from the recent WTBC. If it doesn't happen this week, all Hell may break loose.

Jay when you say many grumblings, do you mean from the players or just observers of the event? I would like to know what the player think.

Tim

 

[jeffwinters]

Jay when you say many grumblings, do you mean from the players or just observers of the event? I would like to know what the player think.

Tim

bump, would like to know the answer on this query too.

 

[jeffwinters]

Saw this in the other thread,
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=117640&page=2

Misc. ramblings from the Open:

More strong filipino players here than in Manila! Van Corteza, Django, Gallego, Alcano, Kiamco and Luat. And this tournament is 9,000 miles away! Jonathan Sy brought many of these guys over here, and is putting them in action nightly at Q Master. Orcollo is playing on the Guinness Tour in Asia right now. That's why he isn't here. And Efren is sick at home we are told.

A shame that one of the main topics of conversation is about the recent World Ten Ball and will the players get paid. Many of these players are here and beginning to get antsy. I feel bad right now for Darren Appleton who is owed $100,000. I'm praying for him, one of the truly good guys in pool. A very strong European contingent is here, and I look for one of them to be there at the end.

Many good Asian players in the field, but none from Chinese Taipei. Maybe it's because of the Guinness Tour, but who knows. EVERYONE wants to see Wu over here, including me. I tell everyone he may be the best player on Earth today. We are working on a Challenge Match between reigning World Cup champs SVB and Rodney vs. either a team from Taipei, the Philippines or Great Britain. It will be held at next years DCC. Will keep you posted on this one, when it is set.

Good action nightly at Q Master. Two nights ago, Matt Clatterbuck beat Ronnie Wiseman in a 12 Ahead, Ten Ball match in a little over two hours. He won $7,000 and HE GOT PAID! Last night Donnie Mills played Warren Kiamco for $3,000, a Race to 26. With the score tied 20-20 Donnie shut Warren down, running six perfect racks! Soft break, made the corner ball and left the one near the far corner pocket. Six times in a row! Never got out of line and never had to make a hard shot. He played PERF!

Big mix up the first day. Flyers had been distributed saying the players meeting was at 3 PM Sunday, with the tourney getting underway at 8 PM. That was changed to a 8 PM players meeting on Saturday (a day earlier), with play starting at 11 AM Sunday. Unfortunately some players showed up on Sunday (Santos for one) and didn't get to play. Tony Robles also came late but he just got in on time. He is rolling too, three wins over all strong players. He beat Gallego last night 11-5 and has Johnny tonight. I have no idea why this happened but I saw the flyers which clearly stated Sunday 3 PM for the players meeting. Someone dropped the ball here big time.

Consequently the field only has 236 players and not a full field of 256. A strong field nonetheless. Barry Behrman stated that he would still add $85,000. Not too shabby, only the biggest and best tourney in the USA. This is still more than the $72,000 added last year.

One final disconcerting note. You may not be aware that the IPT and Trudough never completed the promised payouts. He still owes a final payment (11%) to all the players, and more to the players from the Qualifiers. ALL players I discussed this with said they had not yet gotten the last payment. Interesting how this was swept under the rug when he started his new round or events. All may be forgiven, but is definitely not forgotten. Once a con man, always a con man is my comment on this. I still think he only paid what he did under duress and fear for his life. JMO of course.

As of 11:24 PM (i guess forum time) yesterday, players have not been paid by the promoter of the WTBC.

 

[sputnik]

So, some promoters get 10-12 months leeway. But, Raya didn't pay in 2 weeks so it is a done deal that they won't.

Hmm, seems like an interesting double standard to me.

Mike

If in promoting a tournament, it is announced that the prize money will be paid in 10-12 months and the players fly in, then they were in agreement.

In WTBC, the people were warned, mainly because we knew that Makabenta's balance sheet was in the very very negative months before the tournament. How did we know that he still owed his sponsor from last year's WPC? We have the same sponsors, and he was scrambling around town trying to get sources. But even his website told us that he did not have sponsors DAYS before his tournament. I was all over the forums calling the tournament "suicidal". Mere common sense had him red-handed.

But why then did the people not listen? Because WPA guaranteed the credibility and integrity of the tournament. I am surprised that the WTBC is still even being considered as a success by some if the players are paid in two weeks. No audience, bad TV, no sponsors... it was a flop that goes way below the standards of a world championship.

WPA should own up to why Makabenta was allowed to desperately continue his WTBC as if he was using WTB income to beat a foreclosure deadline of his home. They should at least fire Anderson and Overbeck if the WPA does not have any intention of paying the $400k that their boys guaranteed.

Personally, there are only two good things about the WPA: one is the way they prevent the schedules of tournaments from clashing and other is their ranking of players. But even this azbilliards website can do that without collecting a 5% sanction fee.

All this business about WPA accreditation only empowers the sub-governing bodies to abuse promoters and players into a blackmail system of getting what they want because they are accredited. And now that includes the WPA itself only because they are accredited by WCBS and the IOC. I find that the rule of having only one exclusive representative as inhibiting healthy competition and a breeder of abuse of power. By virtue of accreditation, they can do anything they want. WPA even allows Makabenta to call his WTBC a world championship.

These organizations are there only because they were first to be accredited, and having jerks within the organizations leaves the whole pool world to suffer/enjoy the effects/fruits of whatever they do - regardless if they are not paid a dime for it.

To me, the best solution is to organize local professional associations made of pro players and promoters and let them cooperate with each other. With the advent of instant communication, it is no longer a yeoman's job to schedule tournaments and rank players.

I feel that there is a lack of free competition among the different promoters in the world. There is no initiative because of all the redtape and sanctions in getting investors, finding sponsors and in inviting players. On an even playing field (without the use of accreditations), business ethics will prevail because in business, you have to straighten up if you want to have foresight.

 

[AnitoKid]

Am subscribing to this thread....
bump to the top.

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[bandido]

If in promoting a tournament, it is announced that the prize money will be paid in 10-12 months and the players fly in, then they were in agreement.

In WTBC, the people were warned, mainly because we knew that Makabenta's balance sheet was in the very very negative months before the tournament. How did we know that he still owed his sponsor from last year's WPC? We have the same sponsors, and he was scrambling around town trying to get sources. But even his website told us that he did not have sponsors DAYS before his tournament. I was all over the forums calling the tournament "suicidal". Mere common sense had him red-handed.

But why then did the people not listen? Because WPA guaranteed the credibility and integrity of the tournament. I am surprised that the WTBC is still even being considered as a success by some if the players are paid in two weeks. No audience, bad TV, no sponsors... it was a flop that goes way below the standards of a world championship.

WPA should own up to why Makabenta was allowed to desperately continue his WTBC as if he was using WTB income to beat a foreclosure deadline of his home. They should at least fire Anderson and Overbeck if the WPA does not have any intention of paying the $400k that their boys guaranteed.

Personally, there are only two good things about the WPA: one is the way they prevent the schedules of tournaments from clashing and other is their ranking of players. But even this azbilliards website can do that without collecting a 5% sanction fee.

All this business about WPA accreditation only empowers the sub-governing bodies to abuse promoters and players into a blackmail system of getting what they want because they are accredited. And now that includes the WPA itself only because they are accredited by WCBS and the IOC. I find that the rule of having only one exclusive representative as inhibiting healthy competition and a breeder of abuse of power. By virtue of accreditation, they can do anything they want. WPA even allows Makabenta to call his WTBC a world championship.

These organizations are there only because they were first to be accredited, and having jerks within the organizations leaves the whole pool world to suffer/enjoy the effects/fruits of whatever they do - regardless if they are not paid a dime for it.

To me, the best solution is to organize local professional associations made of pro players and promoters and let them cooperate with each other. With the advent of instant communication, it is no longer a yeoman's job to schedule tournaments and rank players.

I feel that there is a lack of free competition among the different promoters in the world. There is no initiative because of all the redtape and sanctions in getting investors, finding sponsors and in inviting players. On an even playing field (without the use of accreditations), business ethics will prevail because in business, you have to straighten up if you want to have foresight.

Speakng of ABUSE OF ACCREDITATION POWERS. We have this event coming up soon and one of the initially invited player was replaced because EPBF, WPA's continental member, prevented him from participating with threats to remove him from the EuroTour.

 

[pooladdict]

Speakng of ABUSE OF ACCREDITATION POWERS. We have this event coming up soon and one of the initially invited player was replaced because EPBF, WPA's continental member, prevented him from participating with threats to remove him from the EuroTour.

Edwin

This was done since the player is top 16 on Eurotour, and the QC tournament clashes with the Eurotour in Malaga, Spain. EPBF's policy is to strong-arm top 16 (or top 32?) players if there are conflicting tournaments.

But dont worry Edwin, I will be in Quezon to watch, and I can even bring my cue in case The Rest of the World only have seven players that day!:grin-square: