What happens when you scratch and all balls are in the kitchen?
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You have ball in hand so it doesn't matter. If you are playing 8 ball and you somehow can smash the break to where the balls are either pocketed and whats not pocketed ends up in the kitchen, YOU DO have to kick. I've never seen it happen but maybe it has.
In one pocket obviously a ball would spot up.
I hope that answers it.
In one pocket obviously a ball would spot up.
I hope that answers it.
Your opponent would have ball in hand behind the head string and would have to shoot across the head string, i.e., not directly at one of the balls behind the head string. However, he has the option of spotting (on the foot spot) the object ball that is closest to the head string and shooting a spot shot.
This is covered in General Rule 1.5 Cue Ball in Hand, which says, in part:
When the shooter has the cue ball in hand behind the head string and all the legal object balls are behind the head string, he may request the legal object ball nearest the head string to be spotted. If two or more balls are equal distance from the head string, the shooter may designate which of the equidistant balls is to be spotted. An object ball that rests exactly on the head string is playable.
Thanks! That's exactly the rule I was looking for!
You may want to look through the rest of the rules -- there are some surprises in there.
like Pyle would say...
I looked at the rule pertaining to the question posed and I am surprised
as I believed if two balls were equal then largest #spotted not players choice? If a ball is spotted does it have to played or can the player kick at a ball in the kitchen?
I looked at the rule pertaining to the question posed and I am surprised
as I believed if two balls were equal then largest #spotted not players choice? If a ball is spotted does it have to played or can the player kick at a ball in the kitchen?
In 14.1 the numbers on the balls carry no significance other than designating the ball and pocket. In spotting balls that are simultaneously illegally pocketed,they are spotted without regard to number sequence. If they are equidistant to the headstring in the kitchen,the option lies with the shooter without regard to number. Like Bob said,there are some interesting rules regarding 14.1,that is why it is considered an exceptional challenge for players.
on the second part,as long as the cueball completely(at the base point of contact with the surface)leaves the kitchen,the player may elect to attempt to shoot at a ball behind the head string. This is sometimes used for a safety shot in lieu of an attempt at a spot shot. Good Question.
The rule does not say you have to shoot at the spotted ball, so you don't. You just have to exit the kitchen, at least temporarily.
as far as I understand this ruling, if a player decides to spot a ball from behind the string he is obliged to play it. Because there is no reason to spot a ball other than taking a shot on it. Don't want to shoot a spotted ball - don't spot it, play the kick right away, that's what the rule says IMO.
What would you say Bob?
Object ball that lies directly on the head string
When you have cue ball in hand in the kitchen can you shoot at any part of an object ball that lies directly on the head string (the bottom of the ball is on the line)? For instance, can you just line up and legally make a shot directly into one of the side pockets?
I was told once that you can only legally hit the part of the object ball that lies outside the head string, so I'm not clear on this.
When you have cue ball in hand in the kitchen can you shoot at any part of an object ball that lies directly on the head string (the bottom of the ball is on the line)? For instance, can you just line up and legally make a shot directly into one of the side pockets?
I was told once that you can only legally hit the part of the object ball that lies outside the head string, so I'm not clear on this.
There is no requirement to shoot at any ball after a ball is spotted. Suppose two balls are by a head pocket and one ball is in the middle of the head rail. The two balls by the pocket are unplayable because of the way they are positioned. One of them is spotted. The other of the previously locked up pair is now an easy kick, and the player gets easy shape on a head-spot break.
A ball exactly on the headstring is playable. You can hit any part of it.
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that makes sense because what if the player misses the spotted ball and the cue kicks a ball in the kitchen satisfying the requirements of a legal shot? it's not a foul because he missed the spotted ball AND you always have the option of playing a safety off any ball on the table.
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