What is a typical Pro player B&R %?

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3RAILKICK

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Is there an accepted benchmark percentage?

What factors favor or hinder being successful breaking and running racks.

What is the relative importance of those factors.

...possible elements: (in no particular order)?


...Break speed

...Break accuracy

...racking pattern

...clusters

...shotmaking

...pattern play

...cue ball control


....other stuff



Side note: I run a rack maybe 1 out of 10...ok 20:eek: And then everything has to be in the open....stop, stop, stop....etc...stop.

Are there suggestions that can help improve on non-cosmo layout runnouts?

thanks


..remember, I can't get there BIH
on 7,8,9.:frown::frown:
 
For 9/10 ball, the biggest factors are the rack and the tightness of the pockets.

For 9 ball, top pros typically run about 30% of their breaks with a standard rack on a reasonable table, and a little lower on tight pocket tables. With the magic rack, the likelihood can exceed 40%.

For 10 ball, the percentage is usually significantly lower, with the exception of players with phenomenal breaks like Ko Pin Yi and Shane Van Boening. For those two, the bnr percentage is roughly the same as 9 ball, possibly even higher.

To run out more difficult racks, you have to refine your position play and make sure you land on the right side more often than not. It also helps to become more comfortable with alternate position play such as playing the short side if it is easier to get to and playing for thinner cuts in general.
 
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30% sounds right but I don't think a percentage like that has ever truly been established for the pros. On some nights pros could easily eclipse that percentage into the 50% or higher. 1 out of every 3 racks is probably reasonable for top short stops and pros.
 
Thoses %'s are way too high for most players on 9 foot tables. In the 90's Earl held the highest % on tour at 33%. The tour avg was well below 20%. Players average making a ball on the break and having a shot at the next ball 1-of-3 racks, then you have to get out! These are counting the best players in the world.
Local good players and shortstop players are way below 30%, prob below 20% on a diamond pro-am or pro cut diamond or on most 4 1/2 pocket tables.
9 ball games are won by making spreads ( 4-9, 5-9, really good players 3-9 )
 
Gunn_Slinger said:
Thoses %'s are way too high for most players on 9 foot tables. In the 90's Earl held the highest % on tour at 33%. The tour avg was well below 20%. Players average making a ball on the break and having a shot at the next ball 1-of-3 racks, then you have to get out! These are counting the best players in the world.
Local good players and shortstop players are way below 30%, prob below 20% on a diamond pro-am or pro cut diamond or on most 4 1/2 pocket tables.
9 ball games are won by making spreads ( 4-9, 5-9, really good players 3-9 )
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The game changed with Simonis and Aramith upping the quality of the cloth and balls... In the 90s it was still smash and hope because you never got a perfect rack because of the tolerance of the balls and the cloth was slower so less travel meant less chances... When Earl was killing it he was hitting them about 27 and shooting the 1 in the side because it just didn't travel up table... Today most of the pros know the break speed and hit to shoot the 1 in the corner when it misses the side in 9 ball or when it paths straight up table towards the corner in 10ball... I argue with Fleming all the time that the old numbers don't apply to todays players on modern equipment.....
 
The Renfro said:
The game changed with Simonis and Aramith upping the quality of the cloth and balls... In the 90s it was still smash and hope because you never got a perfect rack because of the tolerance of the balls and the cloth was slower so less travel meant less chances... When Earl was killing it he was hitting them about 27 and shooting the 1 in the side because it just didn't travel up table... Today most of the pros know the break speed and hit to shoot the 1 in the corner when it misses the side in 9 ball or when it paths straight up table towards the corner in 10ball... I argue with Fleming all the time that the old numbers don't apply to todays players on modern equipment.....
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Some of that is correct. Todays balls are more lively, Simonis was in use in most tourneys in the 90's and most pool rooms had it also. The balls were 6 oz balls in the 90's, not the 5 1/2 oz balls of the 70's when slow wool cloth was the only cloth in pool. I came back to pool in 1989 after a 10 yr layoff to find most pool rooms in northern va had this super fast Simonis ( in many cases,760, not 860 ). It went back and forth from Simonis to wool for a while, but by 92, wool was dead on9 foot tables and Simonis was king. But, the pocket size was about 4 3/4, making the game easier. Today, the thing that keeps break & run %'s down are diamond pro-am;s tight 4 3/8 to 4 1/2 in pockets and pro-cut 4 1/2 in pockets and sometimes, a 4 1/2 in gold crown, many with extended rails. Earl's 33% was way ahead of the field then. Anyone who wants to shoot at 30-40% on a diamond 4 1/2 pkt can get action with me.....err..not you Shane...and the 20+ top pros in the world, but most players are not barred. Now 50%, no one is barred
 
About 6 years ago Francisco Bustamante had the highest B&R percentage of all pro players in 8 ball at 60%. That was before Magic Racks were popular. There is a video on YouTube of an IPT match between Bustamante and Deuel and the announcer gives a brief back story on each of the players.
 
I would thing there would be a notable difference in the number you'd get, looking at tourney play, vs. gamble games.

Mister gunn slinger- I might practice up and show you a 50+%. Course, I only play 3ball and I will be taking BIH after the break.:o. But I think I can do it.
 
AZ member, At Large, is our resident statistician. He can tell you to the 2nd decimal point. Maybe he'll drop by.
 
Only the most elite have a B&R % of greater than 25%. Add 10% if its rack your own.
 
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