Angle speed and spin. ,dictates where the cue ball will go. Spin is a little more complex, English is side spin and is used to increase speed or decrease speed off the rail and change the angle off the rail. I cant say which to improve over another but the more u understand the relationship between the angle speed and spin the more cue ball control u will have. Sorry if i did not explain well enough.
What is better English or speed?
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You are going to need to combine the two.
Speed has it's purposes and spin has its purposes.
Usually they overlap and sometimes they don't.
Examples;
-the distance the QB runs is more related to speed than spin.
-the line the QB takes off the OB is related to both speed and spin.
-the line the QB takes kicking off the rail is more related to spin than speed.
-the distance a push shot travels is related to speed only.
-the way the QB caroms off an OB is related to both speed and spin.
You are going to need to think about how speed and spin combine to affect QB behaviour on almost every shot.
I just want to say that talking about speed and spin without including angle is nonsense.
Each pool game is different, 9, 10 ball demand shot accuracy at all speed and with all english of which in my opinion once mastered, one can move to other games. The 1st objective of any shot is to pocket the ball (unless you are playing safe); so some shots do require english to pocket others do not. Some safe requires english to throw OB such that CB remains hidden, After a while a good player, or a pro develops a habit for certain shots to afford them best chance to pocket the ball without jeopardizing position. Take for example CJ, is making a DVD and the title (TOI) that is tip of inside which suggests that every shot should be shot with some form of inside english; TOI requires you to shoot with speed, cannot baby them..so you have to get the feel for that which is another form of shooting, i call it personal form.
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Well said!
If your game has progressed to the point where you can consistently hit centre ball and with precise speed, controlling english will be child's play.
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As many people said, you need both. The real decision is, which does one learn first. Many players abandon the vertical axis too early, which may lead to problems on straight in shots. Learn to control the weight of the ball first, play with the spin later.
The poster clearly said side spin will change the speed of the cue ball after contact. That's not draw or follow.
No, side spin does not change the speed of the cue ball after contact with the object ball.
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Got it
Thanks everyone for the input.. But know one answered my question. I'll put it another way. If u had a choice to get to a certain position on the table and you can either applying "english" or "speed" which one would you choose?? Don't worry about the angle, number of rails etc..." English" or "speed"???
Thanks everyone for the input.. But know one answered my question. I'll put it another way. If u had a choice to get to a certain position on the table and you can either applying "english" or "speed" which one would you choose?? Don't worry about the angle, number of rails etc..." English" or "speed"???
Without a particular example, your question doesn't mean anything. It has to be a situation where there is a choice. But even then, the choice between the two will likely be an individual preference.
Do you have a specific example?
Q: If I don't have enough angle to get where I need to I sometimes use english to drift the CB a little further along the tangent line, is this just a product of cheating and getting more angle or is the spin carrying the ball further?
Mr. Bambu,
Based only from my own personal experience, I am of a different opinion. Due to all of the components when english is involved, I would suggest one start 'learning'/experiencing it ASAP. One can always decide when, how & even if not to employ it when actually playing but one can not decide to use it, at least not effectively, if one has no personal 'knowledge' or experience with it. In other words one can back off but one can not step up.
I started with english with in weeks of starting pool at age 13. IMHO my use & experience with english is what gave me a leg up on older players with much more playing time than myself that did not know how to & did not use english. It is simply not something of which one needs to be fearfull of as seemingly so many relate it to be. It is almost like there has been a brain washing propaganda launched against it.
There are times on a pool table where english is most beneficial & if one can not utilize it, many times one is a 'slave' to the table layout while the opponent may have that advantage & not be a 'slave' to the table layout.
If a 13 year old can do it, I don't see why an adult would be incapable of 'learning' it in rather short order. I even coached a mentally challenged gentleman to employ it. It can be a visual perception without all of the science involved.
I'm just saying, people should not be scared of what can give them a leg up. Why wait? One can always shoot without english when they choose to do so, but whether or not that tool is in their tool box can be the difference between winning & losing.
All that being said, CJ Wiley's TOI is also a very valuable tool if not more than just that.
Regards to You &
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Speed or english
Bob, Im trying to understand the thinking process. do you change your speed first then if you get there with speed and center ball do you then go to rt and lft . english?? Trying to understand the thinking process when using english . The steps to know when to change your speed and to add english..sorry for the confusion
Bob, Im trying to understand the thinking process. do you change your speed first then if you get there with speed and center ball do you then go to rt and lft . english?? Trying to understand the thinking process when using english . The steps to know when to change your speed and to add english..sorry for the confusion
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clarkie39 said:
I get what you're looking for, but it still depends on the exact shot. since you don't have a specific example, I'll just make one up. say we're looking at a long straight draw shot. you could hit with 1 tip of draw and pretty hard, or go with 2 tips of draw but much softer.
I believe the right shot is always to add more spin if you can greatly reduce the speed. speed magnifies your stroke errors, increases the amount of unwanted spin, makes it harder to judge cb speed and draw control, and makes the pocket more likely to reject your shot if it's a little off.
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lastdimetaker...I know you were taught this by Randyg, but just wanted to clarify for the rest. Angle...of the angle/speed/spin formula, relates to the angle/level of the cuestick, to the shot...not the cut angle. Angle, speed & spin are present in every pool shot, and are the ONLY aspects we have any control over.
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Speed also affects the path of the cue ball, which is important to keep in mind..
Thank you Creedo .. That's what I'm looking for .. You choose english over speed in your example . So do you choose english over speed on just certain shots or is it personal preference?
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