What is feel aiming?

I usually find the target spot for the neutral angle of the OB. From there, I figure out where I'm going to be hitting it from where the CB lays. If I'm coming across it, I'm going to be imparting a little collission spin, so I'll need to add that in and shorten up the spot on the rail. If I need to avoid a scratch or do anything with the CB, I'll figure out where abouts I'll need to hit the CB and then figure that into the equation for the OB target spot. I guess it's sort of cross-referencing each hit spot (CB, OB and rail) until my mind says go. It can also be as easy as having a slightly wide angle on a cross-side and just tightening it up with some english.

Maybe I misunderstood.. but when I shoot, I consider the hit and english when lining up the shot. It's like a soft masse or a kill shot.. I'd say most people guestimate those. You have to take into consideration the funny stuff you're doing with the CB when you're taking your shot.


Exactly,

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I once played at a friend's facility.
One of his patients was his sparring partner.
The dude was an ex-addict now a loonie.
The loonie could shoot some .
Explain that.:grin:
The dude shot fast too. Like Keith and Earl. See it and shoot it kinda player.

some people are naturals
 
It is a lot of practice combined with eye hand coordination. It is the same as a craftsman that can look at something and determine if it is straight, level, and etc. by just eyeing it.

It can also be so called instinct such as where to locate something you put away in the house or being able to drive somewhere but you really cant give the directions but you recognize the places to turn.

Lets take a carpenter, some just cut and nail and everything comes out beautiful. He is a NATURAL with plenty of experience. Then you have the carpenter who measures everything, has guide lines and has to work to get everything right. In the end they look the same but man it was 2 different routes to get there. Most people need more than feel to play, they need guidelines to be good.
 
I thought about this for a while and came to the conclusion that everybody aims by feel no matter what "system" they claim to use. There is no system that can eliminate the effects of cit, curve or side-spin. So whatever system you use, it can only lead to an approximation.
 
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For example I know if shoot hard with a given amount of english the cueball will deflect more than if I shoot softly.

So how does a system calculate that?


A system doesnt take that into account, you do, its a matter of

1. you know where to hit the shot based on your method
2. you estimate those distances
3. you miss and you adjust next time based on how you missed this time.

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"Feel aiming," to me, involves letting your subconscious do the work. Start with imagining what you want to happen. It's like watching a mental videotape of the shot before shooting. Then you align your aim such that it matches the videotape in your mind.

Let's analogize aiming methods to speed control methods. When you want to play position, do you calculate the momentum of your cue tip at impact, adjusting for friction and rail speed and all the spin and throw effects? Do you use a precise approximation, such as saying "I need to follow through 15 inches on this shot?" Or do you take several practice strokes, match up the speed of the cue with the picture in your head, and shoot?
 
"Feel aiming," to me, involves letting your subconscious do the work. Start with imagining what you want to happen. It's like watching a mental videotape of the shot before shooting. Then you align your aim such that it matches the videotape in your mind.

Let's analogize aiming methods to speed control methods. When you want to play position, do you calculate the momentum of your cue tip at impact, adjusting for friction and rail speed and all the spin and throw effects? Do you use a precise approximation, such as saying "I need to follow through 15 inches on this shot?" Or do you take several practice strokes, match up the speed of the cue with the picture in your head, and shoot?

I agree with you but are you talking about position play or pocketing balls? Sounds more like position play and to me, this is where feel defintiely comes into play.
 
I agree with you but are you talking about position play or pocketing balls? Sounds more like position play and to me, this is where feel defintiely comes into play.

I'm talking about position play, but really they're two sides of the same coin. On any given shot you're trying to control both the object ball and the cue ball; only doing one won't get you very far.

I think it's a little silly to look at either one in isolation. I don't see how you can play position without some measure of feel. By that logic you need feel to play well, no matter how perfect any aiming system may be.
 
Get yourself a nightcrawler for this experiment........

For those who use it, what is "FEEL AIMING"?

Thanks,
JoeyA

Get yourself a nice healthy night crawler. And get yourself a nice cardboard box. Put one hole in the bottom about one inch round.

Set the box on top of some nice loose moist dirt. Now put the night crawler in the box and see how long it takes him to find the hole and get down in some nice moist dirt.

Now I could start up a thread and tell this nightcrawler the best way to find the hole but I don't really know what he's got to work with.

Eventually he will find the hole but if he doesn't find it soon he will dry out and probably have a bad day.:help:

Good thing that night crawler has skills that we couldn't even imagine. He'll find that hole pretty quick.

Now if there was one night crawler that found the hole right away it sure would be nice if he would teach the other night crawlers how to do this.:yes:

Kind of like a NCS (night crawler school).:idea2:

We could teach night crawlers how to teach other night crawlers.

Most of them probably wouldn't listen either though because they don't have any ears or eyes.:confused:

They have an excuse though. Poor night crawler can't see or hear I don't think? :yeah::rotflmao1:

How come when you put the light on them at night they go back in the hole before you can get'em?

They must have some secret?????????????:rotflmao1::yeah:
 
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Get a predator 314 shaft..........

For example I know if shoot hard with a given amount of english the cueball will deflect more than if I shoot softly.

So how does a system calculate that?

This will help for sure...................then you mostly just have to aim.

No guessing if you can aim Perfect.
 
Anything that isn't "robotic". Robotic is anything that a robot (with human limitations) could do following a set of program instructions.

A robot can't follow an instruction like "decide if the alignment looks right". A robot with human limitations can't mathematically calculate the necessary CB/OB alignment from raw visual data.

pj
chgo

Are you saying that Feel Aiming is a matter of guessing at what looks right?

I'm just trying to understand everyone's perspective about Feel Aiming.
 
Are you saying that Feel Aiming is a matter of guessing at what looks right?
Sort of, but rather than "guessing" I'd say estimating based on past experience and memory.

I think the difficulty in aiming comes almost entirely from the fact that the CB contact point is on the other side of the CB where we can't see it. This problem is what aiming by feel is all about and what virtually every system tries to solve.

pj
chgo
 
Are you saying that Feel Aiming is a matter of guessing at what looks right?

I'm just trying to understand everyone's perspective about Feel Aiming.


Joey, here, let me take a crack at explaining this:

Take a piece of paper and wad it up nice and tight. Locate your trash basket, maybe 9' away. Throw the wadded up piece of paper into the basket.

Now I'm guessing that if you have a normal amount of hand-eye coordination, after a few tries you're going to be able to toss the wadded up paper into the basket pretty consistently. After a few hours of practice, I'd even go so far as to say that you could do it at near and farther distances, maybe bounce it in off a wall or piece of furniture, throw it with top hand flip, or even over your shoulder, and rarely miss. After sufficient practice I'd say that anything within the original 9' range you're going to own and would bet money you could make five out of five.

So is that any of that guessing? I mean, certainly you are aiming somehow, yet you feel totally confident that you are going to be able to toss the wadded ball of paper into the hole.

Now, for those individuals having difficulty putting the wadded paper into the trash can, and are frustrated with their results, I will be coming out with a DVD that will provide you with a precise, systematic method of aiming the wadded up paper. It will give you a Pre-Toss and Toss Routine and will involve lining up the edge of the wadded up piece of paper with various edges of the trash can and pivoting your body, for a can't miss aiming system. I will be charging $40 (plus shipping) for this one and half hour DVD. Oh yes, I will also be coming out with another DVD -- this one will teach you what your dominant eye is and how to ensure you toss the wadded piece of paper lined up properly with the right (or left) eye. This one will be $80.

Hope that helps :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
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Joey, here, let me take a crack at explaining this:

Take a piece of paper and wad it up nice and tight. Locate your trash basket, maybe 9' away. Throw the wadded up piece of paper into the basket.

Now I'm guessing that if you have a normal amount of hand-eye coordination, after a few tries you're going to be able to toss the wadded up paper into the basket pretty consistently. After a few hours of practice, I'd even go so far as to say that you could do it at near and farther distances, maybe bounce it in off a wall or piece of furniture, throw it with top hand flip, or even over your shoulder, and rarely miss. After sufficient practice I'd say that anything within the original 9' range you're going to own and would bet money you could make five out of five.

So is that any of that guessing? I mean, certainly you are aiming somehow, yet you feel totally confident that you are going to be able to toss the wadded ball of paper into the hole.

Now, for those individuals having difficulty putting the wadded paper into the trash can, and are frustrated with their results, I will be coming out with a DVD that will provide you with a precise, systematic method of aiming the wadded up paper. It will give you a Pre-Toss and Toss Routine and will involve lining up the edge of the wadded up piece of paper with various edges of the trash can and pivoting your body, for a can't miss aiming system. I will be charging $40 (plus shipping) for this one and half hour DVD. Oh yes, I will also be coming out with another DVD -- this one will teach you what your dominant eye is and how to ensure you toss the wadded piece of paper lined up properly with the right (or left eye). This one will be $80.

Hope that helps :-)

Lou Figueroa
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