What is it about South Wests?

Bamacues said:
What percentage of Southwest cues has any one individual seen that were warped? How many SW cues have been produced since they started? I don't know how true data of that nature could be compiled, anyways. If SW puts out 250 cues per year, and have been around since 1980..that is a ton of cues. Of course they did not start out selling 350 cues/year, but it might average 200, if so, that would be 5,400 cues produced. How many of these were "warped" of any significance. Were any of these conversions from full splice blanks, etc, if so, they would need to be removed from the count. The same would be true for other cuemakers. You would have to know total production less conversions and full-splice cues, etc. Cues made from sneakies don't count. I just don't see how anyone could have enough data available to have a real solid argument either way. Variables: how were they stored, have they been modified in any way, were they re-wrapped/refinished at any time, etc, etc. This is just a tough argument to support, no matter which "side" one is on.
Joe
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For what's it worth, has anyone seen ONE Tad that was warped?
 
JoeyInCali said:
For what's it worth, has anyone seen ONE Tad that was warped?
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Joey, I am sure there is one out there, but I have not seen it. I wonder what the total lifetime number of Tad cues produced is.

The point I was trying to make is that I don't personally feel that there is enough data for anyone to make a blanket statement "SW cues warp" anymore "statistically" than any other cuemaker's cues. Wood is wood. There are certainly some things that might lessen the chance, but even that has no statistical data behind it that I know of, so that is speculative on my part.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems like people want to jump on SW cues for some reason, and that does not seem fair to me. Whether it is the mystique or whatever, I don't think thousands of people would own them as prized possessions and thousands more be waiting until that day when their number was up with SW if they were no of the best quality, etc.

Personally, right now, I only have 2 SW cues and 5 shafts. Neither butt is warped and one shaft has a slight "taper wobble", but it has been taken down slightly, so that might have caused that. Both cues are several years old, so they have had an opportunity to warp. One was my player until an A**hole knocked it over at Valley Forge and snapped my favorite shaft....then I just put it away.

If I have only seen 4 of a cuemaker's cues and 1 of them was warped, am I to assume that 25% of his cues will be warped? What if the guy who owned the warped cue left it in the trunk of his car for 24 hours a day..would that need to be taken into account?

While I am certainly no big time cue collector or dealer, I have owned cues by many of the cuemakers out there. I have seen several cues with slight warpage from many of them...I have seen a couple that you could shoot around corners with. Personally, I would attribute most of what I saw to improper use, maintenance and storage, but I could not back that up with any data.
Joe
 
Joey, I am sure there is one out there, but I have not seen it. I wonder what the total lifetime number of Tad cues produced is.


He makes about 100 cues a year.
His cues staying straight are very well-earned reputation.
His shop has no humidifier or dehumidifier, if that's worth anything.
 
wild west said:
Is it possible that Wood Combos have an affect on the hit and feel of a cue. -West
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It is not combo. Im just talking about the wood used in the forearm, i.e. purpleheart forearm and ebony forearm.

wild west said:
I always thought that it was determined by the shaft and joint?
-West
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Everything on the cue will have an effect on the hit and feel of a cue.
It is not determined by only the shaft and joint.
What about the :
1. ferrule.
2. type of tip.
3. thread of the joint.
4. size of the joint.
4. type of construction.
5. type weight bolt.
6. taper.
7. wood used.
8. Not only the cue but maybe also room that you playing in.

I'm not a cue maker but I think that they are more than what listed above.
 
Converted

I recently got a SW and I really like it. Rick Howard is also very very good and they hit in a similar manner IMHO.
 
How can someone NOT want to buy a South West. Solid, well balanced and great resale value. How many non-deceased cuemakers cues are on the market that have that built in resale value? Less than 15.

As far as the "warping". I think some warping is fictitious and the result of people not knowing what they are looking at. Do some warp, I am sure. But of all the cue's I have had and seen, there are some very known cuemakers cues that have warped. Why? Who the hell knows, some people like leaving them in a car or in an area they think is safe, but isn't.

JV
 
I like the looks of most SW cues. I haven't had the pleasure of playing with one yet. Although I've become a Mottey snob, there may be a SW in my future one day.
 
classiccues said:
How can someone NOT want to buy a South West. Solid, well balanced and great resale value.

JV
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Joe, I have to agree with you. But the balance in my opinion is not the best for me but that just me (unless you got a huge and dense shaft). The front end of most SW is too light imo. Player favouring open bridge will suffer in performance.
 
Ummmmmmmmm

I don't think I will ever be able to afford a Southwest, but I sure want one of those Bulgarian virgins!
 
poolpunk said:
I don't think I will ever be able to afford a Southwest, but I sure want one of those Bulgarian virgins!
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Now I know why the Bulgarians have such a good womens track team... they can all outrun their brothers... :D

JV
 
i like a little more forward weighted cue myself.i think SW is 1.5" above standard wrap.i like another 1" or even 1.5" in front.
 
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