What is lowballing?

Celophanewrap said:
Good logic yes, but I think you have to be careful with this strategy. If your lowball is
too lowball then you’re not taken seriously, sometimes even if you come up to a
reasonable price, or your lowball may be taken as an insult. If it’s something you’re
really considering, a lowball offer may get you no response.
I think it’s good logic, you just have to be careful with such logic
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Sometimes the "lowball" offer is meant as an insult to counter the insult of having viewed a delusional seller's idea of what their junk is worth without the ability to unview it. Ironically most times the "lowball" offer is closer to market value than the asking price.

JC
 
cuesblues said:
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The ridiculous trade offers are another story
I've turned down over 400 trades this year, and agreed to maybe six.
No wonder people write "no trades" on their sale listings.
What are people thinking?

Peace
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Trade for "cash" :):)
 
JC said:
Sometimes the "lowball" offer is meant as an insult to counter the insult of having viewed a delusional seller's idea of what their junk is worth without the ability to unview it. Ironically most times the "lowball" offer is closer to market value than the asking price.

JC
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In that I sell as many or more 900-3000 cues as any non-dealer out there, and I sell everything I post.
I think I know where the price needs to be, better than some jealous clown who lowballs just to **** with me.
Typically these bozos have no clue how to compare one cue to the next, and it seems as though they have difficulty with reading and comprehending what they read.

I've turned down big money for my plain jane Kersenbrock from the seventies.
Heck it looks like a couple of plain pieces of wood glued together.
Maybe I should have a cuemaker inlay some skulls in the buttsleeve, or a dragon in to the handle so these guys can see the value.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Trade for "cash" :):)
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No typically there is no cash offered, it's as if guys are taking my temperature to test how stupid I am.
I could write a book about it.
I've had additional cues added that are worth more than the first offer, and both cues together still aren't close.
The common denominator is typically we both like my cue more than their cue, and guess who gets stuck unloading a cue I would never buy ever.
 
Would you consider trading that Kersenbrock for a (faux) jade dragon? It's really, really cool. Really.
 
HUKIT said:
I’m not a fan of making an offer to seller below what they’re asking but I will ask what they’re “willing” to sell the item for. If I feel it’s fair I’ll accept it or move on but I won’t barter back and forth.
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Yep, I agree with this too. I bought my Omen sneaky for full asking price, it was very fair, and just said I'll take it. It was here on AZB.
 
jimmyco said:
Would you consider trading that Kersenbrock for a (faux) jade dragon? It's really, really cool. Really.
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Sure, you're in Colorado, why not

Pics please

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JC said:
Sometimes the "lowball" offer is meant as an insult to counter the insult of having viewed a delusional seller's idea of what their junk is worth without the ability to unview it. Ironically most times the "lowball" offer is closer to market value than the asking price.

JC
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That’s right, and that’s great if you had no intention of making any attempt to actually
purchase that cue. If that’s the case there’s no need to be at all careful. But if you’re
hoping to pick up a cue and decide a lowball offer is the best route to go, it may come
back to bite you if you are really hoping to acquire the cue.
 
A low ball offer is when a cue dealer lies to you saying there is no ivory in your cue and offers you 1800.00 less than what its worth
 
For the most part, I agree with those that say it's good to at least have someone making an offer. ßome of those folks can be worked into a sale at an acceptable price. There is a big downside with the low ballers I don't think has been touched on yet though .

As someone said, talking about cue sales most are probably over the net taking up little of one's time. But when dealing with cars, trucks, motorcycles, motorhomes, boats, even houses it takes up an unacceptable amount of time and sometimes travel which ends up costing real money not just a few keystrokes. With that being said that's not the real problem. Real problem is the conversion rates with low ballers are horrible on the whole. Meaning : there's a very high percentage of low ballers that are never gonna buy almost no attention what.

This is for a few reasons; some are just looking to steal the item and regardless of anything else they will only buy if they are stealing it - don't wanna deal with those. The next kind of low baller ; someone who genuinely wants the item but is broke. He offers what he does have in hopes of someone ,aye being kind or whatever but bottom line they can't afford it. Don't want to deal with them either. The last type of low baller is the one that's in the biz too and this is just everyday business for them. ( It is true - you make your money when you buy something ). Don't really want to deal with these ones either but sometimes kind da have to and on a plus side often these ones actually do have plenty of money just the challenge is getting them off of it lol. You can find an agreeable price that both can live with.
 
People research price but azbilliards and members hide sale prices so members can't determine what is lowballing!

Flippers buy low and sell high and distort cue values and inflated prices are the result !

People strip cue deals of joint protectors and cases that go with the cue! Often times matching designs stuff that should stay together to grind out extra money and aggravate people!

Sadly, I stopped all sales and purchases for my own sanity! Last sale was to a great pool player that was making a comeback and really liked the way it hit. Even then, out of friendship would only sell it for what I had in it.

Kd

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cuesblues said:
The ridiculous trade offers are another story
I've turned down over 400 trades this year, and agreed to maybe six.
No wonder people write "no trades" on their sale listings.
What are people thinking?

Peace
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I never seem to have issue with trades. Whenever I offer to trade a Gus,Balabushka, or a Southwest
there never seems to a problem.

Ken
 
if you dont want someone to lowball you, just mark your item firm price. or put your lowest price you will accept on it in the first place.
 
This has NEVER stopped anyone... Every post I make says no trades.. almost always.. the first response involves a trade.

JV

maha said:
if you dont want someone to lowball you, just mark your item firm price. or put your lowest price you will accept on it in the first place.
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